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		<title>By: AT&#38;T Motorola Backflip: The most crippled Android experience &#124; Androidheadlines.com</title>
		<link>http://androidandme.com/2009/10/carriers/verizon-needs-to-gain-trust-of-android-community/comment-page-1/#comment-22862</link>
		<dc:creator>AT&#38;T Motorola Backflip: The most crippled Android experience &#124; Androidheadlines.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 23:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] try to be fair to every handset, but the are some we just can’t help but make fun of. Everyone thought Verizon was going to cripple Android, but they became friends with Google and offered the full [...]</description>
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		<title>By: AT&#38;T: The most crippled Android experience &#8211; Android and Me</title>
		<link>http://androidandme.com/2009/10/carriers/verizon-needs-to-gain-trust-of-android-community/comment-page-1/#comment-22769</link>
		<dc:creator>AT&#38;T: The most crippled Android experience &#8211; Android and Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] try to be fair to every handset, but the are some we just can&#8217;t help but make fun of. Everyone thought Verizon was going to cripple Android, but they became friends with Google and offered the full [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Saturday Wrap: 10/03/09 &#124; DroidDog Android Blog</title>
		<link>http://androidandme.com/2009/10/carriers/verizon-needs-to-gain-trust-of-android-community/comment-page-1/#comment-10226</link>
		<dc:creator>The Saturday Wrap: 10/03/09 &#124; DroidDog Android Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] change. Of course all of this is generating lots of interest, but Android fans are left wondering: &#8220;will VZW cripple their Droid debut?&#8221;  GeeksPhone One  It&#8217;s good to see one of those littler companies with faith in Android [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 04:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, just a little FYI.  During the Q&amp;A of this webcast, somebody asked if Google Voice would be allowed.  A valid question after the AT&amp;T/iPhone fiasco with that app.  The Verizon CEO stated that yes, it would be allowed.  He also stated that an Android phone is an open phone, and either you have an open phone or you don&#039;t.  Of course, take that with a grain of salt, but it did come from the lips of Verizon&#039;s CEO himself.  I&#039;m willing to bet that Google has enough clout that they wouldn&#039;t enter into a partnership with Verizon unless they knew Verizon wouldn&#039;t cripple their platform.

Again, take that for what you will, but I&#039;m most likely going to pounce on the first HTC Android/Sense UI phone that becomes available on Verizon.  That is, unless it has equal specs to the Sprint HTC Hero, and another HTC phone with better specs is announced by the time it comes out.  What would really rock is the HD2/Leo with Android &amp; Sense UI on it.  I would buy that phone in a heartbeat, but I know such a combination is nowhere near Verizon.  If I take the Verizon Hero, perhaps I could shell out a bit extra and get a 1-year contract (if they even allow that anymore), to allow for a quicker upgrade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="CommentRating"><a class="rate-up" id='up-7610' alt='Thumb up' onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('7610', 'add', 'androidandme.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/', '5_16_');" title="Vote Up" >Thumb up</a><a class="rate-down" id='down-7610' alt='Thumb down' onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('7610', 'subtract', 'androidandme.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/', '5_16_')" title="Vote Down" >Thumb down</a> <span id="karma-7610-total" >0</span></div><p>Hey, just a little FYI.  During the Q&amp;A of this webcast, somebody asked if Google Voice would be allowed.  A valid question after the AT&amp;T/iPhone fiasco with that app.  The Verizon CEO stated that yes, it would be allowed.  He also stated that an Android phone is an open phone, and either you have an open phone or you don&#8217;t.  Of course, take that with a grain of salt, but it did come from the lips of Verizon&#8217;s CEO himself.  I&#8217;m willing to bet that Google has enough clout that they wouldn&#8217;t enter into a partnership with Verizon unless they knew Verizon wouldn&#8217;t cripple their platform.</p>
<p>Again, take that for what you will, but I&#8217;m most likely going to pounce on the first HTC Android/Sense UI phone that becomes available on Verizon.  That is, unless it has equal specs to the Sprint HTC Hero, and another HTC phone with better specs is announced by the time it comes out.  What would really rock is the HD2/Leo with Android &amp; Sense UI on it.  I would buy that phone in a heartbeat, but I know such a combination is nowhere near Verizon.  If I take the Verizon Hero, perhaps I could shell out a bit extra and get a 1-year contract (if they even allow that anymore), to allow for a quicker upgrade.</p>
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		<title>By: Izzyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Izzyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 22:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know where some of you folks get your info but you a kinda way off here. I&#039;ve been with VZW for over 10 yrs, and yes on the dumbphones they lock and cripple things with there firmware. However in the smartphones besides gps they don&#039;t lock anything down. And as mentioned they have changed there attitude towards GPS and have unlocked it via firmware updates for many devices of the course of the past year. As of recent all there new ones come unlocked for GPS, and they are even getting devices with Wifi built in now. FYI tho even on dumbphones you can unlock them if you are willing to spend a little time reading and doing it yourself. I have devices from other carriers fully unlocked and working on there network just fine, heck one is from a carrier out of Canada so I have Java now in place of there Brew garbage. I even have devices never  sold or released to the public that are fully unlocked and work fine also. 

Fact of the matter is VZW and Moto are not locking the Sholes down at all, that is a given and will be one sweet device once it hits the market. And IMO once the app start rolling for Andriod 2.0 it will put some serious heat on the iPhone</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="CommentRating"><a class="rate-up" id='up-7426' alt='Thumb up' onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('7426', 'add', 'androidandme.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/', '5_16_');" title="Vote Up" >Thumb up</a><a class="rate-down" id='down-7426' alt='Thumb down' onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('7426', 'subtract', 'androidandme.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/', '5_16_')" title="Vote Down" >Thumb down</a> <span id="karma-7426-total" >0</span></div><p>I don&#8217;t know where some of you folks get your info but you a kinda way off here. I&#8217;ve been with VZW for over 10 yrs, and yes on the dumbphones they lock and cripple things with there firmware. However in the smartphones besides gps they don&#8217;t lock anything down. And as mentioned they have changed there attitude towards GPS and have unlocked it via firmware updates for many devices of the course of the past year. As of recent all there new ones come unlocked for GPS, and they are even getting devices with Wifi built in now. FYI tho even on dumbphones you can unlock them if you are willing to spend a little time reading and doing it yourself. I have devices from other carriers fully unlocked and working on there network just fine, heck one is from a carrier out of Canada so I have Java now in place of there Brew garbage. I even have devices never  sold or released to the public that are fully unlocked and work fine also. </p>
<p>Fact of the matter is VZW and Moto are not locking the Sholes down at all, that is a given and will be one sweet device once it hits the market. And IMO once the app start rolling for Andriod 2.0 it will put some serious heat on the iPhone</p>
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		<title>By: mistermix</title>
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		<dc:creator>mistermix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 13:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Verizon cripples phones.  I have a Blackberry 8830 with built-in GPS that was turned off by firmware until early this year, when Verizon allowed Blackberry Maps to use it.  Google Maps has never been able to use GPS on this device.

Why do people stay with Verizon?  Their network is better.  Calls rarely drop.  Their 3G coverage footprint is huge, and they have towers in lots of places where the other providers don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="CommentRating"><a class="rate-up" id='up-7412' alt='Thumb up' onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('7412', 'add', 'androidandme.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/', '5_16_');" title="Vote Up" >Thumb up</a><a class="rate-down" id='down-7412' alt='Thumb down' onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('7412', 'subtract', 'androidandme.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/', '5_16_')" title="Vote Down" >Thumb down</a> <span id="karma-7412-total" >0</span></div><p>Yes, Verizon cripples phones.  I have a Blackberry 8830 with built-in GPS that was turned off by firmware until early this year, when Verizon allowed Blackberry Maps to use it.  Google Maps has never been able to use GPS on this device.</p>
<p>Why do people stay with Verizon?  Their network is better.  Calls rarely drop.  Their 3G coverage footprint is huge, and they have towers in lots of places where the other providers don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 02:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Sholes will be a &quot;Google Experience&quot; phone, which means it will be just as &quot;open&quot; as the G1 and MyTouch...in fact, it will be more &quot;open&quot; than the HTC Hero or Motorola Cliq.  Both the phone manufacturer and the provider cannot make any changes to the interface on a &quot;Google Experience&quot; phone. You the consumer can run pretty much any software you want with it...it&#039;s your device.

Right now, Verizon needs Android, and Android needs Verizon.  Verizon needs a flagship phone that can compete with the iPhone...something that people looking for an iPhone will consider as a viable alternative to switching carriers.  They really need a phone with a good browser. The Blackberry Storm its fine product, but its laggy, 1990s style browser keeps it from being the iPhone killer that Verizon hoped it would be.  Android needs the nation&#039;s largest carrier, it&#039;s perceived reliability, and its huge customer base.

I think Verizon has learned its lesson regarding crippling phones.  
If the Motorola Sholes is done right, it will be a huge hit for Motorola, Android, and Verizon.  I don&#039;t think Verizon will &quot;cripple&quot; it beyond putting the usual VzNavigator, VCast, etc. on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="CommentRating"><a class="rate-up" id='up-7389' alt='Thumb up' onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('7389', 'add', 'androidandme.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/', '5_16_');" title="Vote Up" >Thumb up</a><a class="rate-down" id='down-7389' alt='Thumb down' onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('7389', 'subtract', 'androidandme.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/', '5_16_')" title="Vote Down" >Thumb down</a> <span id="karma-7389-total" >0</span></div><p>The Sholes will be a &#8220;Google Experience&#8221; phone, which means it will be just as &#8220;open&#8221; as the G1 and MyTouch&#8230;in fact, it will be more &#8220;open&#8221; than the HTC Hero or Motorola Cliq.  Both the phone manufacturer and the provider cannot make any changes to the interface on a &#8220;Google Experience&#8221; phone. You the consumer can run pretty much any software you want with it&#8230;it&#8217;s your device.</p>
<p>Right now, Verizon needs Android, and Android needs Verizon.  Verizon needs a flagship phone that can compete with the iPhone&#8230;something that people looking for an iPhone will consider as a viable alternative to switching carriers.  They really need a phone with a good browser. The Blackberry Storm its fine product, but its laggy, 1990s style browser keeps it from being the iPhone killer that Verizon hoped it would be.  Android needs the nation&#8217;s largest carrier, it&#8217;s perceived reliability, and its huge customer base.</p>
<p>I think Verizon has learned its lesson regarding crippling phones.<br />
If the Motorola Sholes is done right, it will be a huge hit for Motorola, Android, and Verizon.  I don&#8217;t think Verizon will &#8220;cripple&#8221; it beyond putting the usual VzNavigator, VCast, etc. on it.</p>
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		<title>By: mobile porn</title>
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		<dc:creator>mobile porn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 00:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So this &quot;Crippling&quot; that they do is just removing features so they can then charge you extra for it?

OMG why in the world would anyone use them as their carrier if they do crap like that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="CommentRating"><a class="rate-up" id='up-7383' alt='Thumb up' onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('7383', 'add', 'androidandme.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/', '5_16_');" title="Vote Up" >Thumb up</a><a class="rate-down" id='down-7383' alt='Thumb down' onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('7383', 'subtract', 'androidandme.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/', '5_16_')" title="Vote Down" >Thumb down</a> <span id="karma-7383-total" >0</span></div><p>So this &#8220;Crippling&#8221; that they do is just removing features so they can then charge you extra for it?</p>
<p>OMG why in the world would anyone use them as their carrier if they do crap like that?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 00:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am leaving Verizon for Sprint. Just waiting for the right Android phone. Probably the InstinctQ, but maybe Hero. Verizon will cripple their phones. Even if they don&#039;t, Sprint is cheaper.</description>
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		<title>By: Quasar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quasar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 23:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is it that Verizon remains to be one of the larges carriers when they charge so much for there services and cripple their phones?</description>
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