Dec 19 AT 10:43 PM Nick Gray 159 Comments

ITC rules in Apple’s favor, bans sales of some HTC phones in US

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After several delays, the ITC ruled today that HTC does in fact infringe on Apple’s patent (#5,946,647) and has issued a ban on the importation of certain HTC devices. The ITC ban includes Android phones that run on versions between 1.6 and 2.2 and specifically names the HTC EVO 4G, HTC Aria, T-Mobile G2 and the HTC DROID Incredible.

The patent itself is a “system and method [which] causes a computer to detect and perform actions on structures identified in computer data,” which covers how Android interacts with the UI in certain instances. While the ITC’s ruling in Apple’s favor is a hard blow for HTC, things could get a lot worse for other Android OEMs. The patent in question implies that the main offender is Google’s Android OS, not HTC. Apple may use this case against HTC as a precedent and ask the ITC to ban the importation of Android devices that infringe on the same patent from other OEMs as well.

Unlike the recent import bans we have seen in Germany, the ITC ban on HTC’s infringing products does not go into effect until April 19, 2012. The time delay is intended to give HTC an adequate amount of time to make changes to its supply chain or fix the issue in question. There are a few exceptions to the ban that will allow HTC to import the handsets in question for warranty replacements for their customers. The only way around the ban is if the president of the United States chooses to veto the decision by the ITC.

While a specific product ban may sound scary, we’d like to point out that the ITC’s ruling includes an exclusion order. Instead of blocking a fixed list of devices, the exclusion order spreads its wings a bit further, encompassing all HTC devices that may infringe on Apple’s patent. This means we could see more HTC phones added to the import ban list, but we’re not sure if the exclusion order could expand to devices that run on Android 2.3 or higher.

Fortunately, there’s a bit of good news in all of this. HTC’s official statement was released a short while ago:

We are gratified that the Commission affirmed the judge's initial determination on the ‘721 and ‘983 patents, and reversed its decision on the ‘263 patent and partially on the ‘647 patent. We are very pleased with the determination and we respect it. However, the ‘647 patent is a small UI experience and HTC will completely remove it from all of our phones soon.Grace Leigeneral counsel of HTC

From the sound of it, HTC claims they have a software update in the works that will circumvent the issue at hand. We’d love to know what the “small UI experience” is that’s causing so much trouble, but we’ll probably learn more about it once HTC releases the update.

Apple and HTC have been battling things out in the courts for a long time. Now that Apple has a significant victory under its belt, we have a feeling they will continue to throw more patent infringement cases at HTC and other OEMs. HTC was fortunate to have a backup plan in place for this case. Let’s just hope other Android manufacturers will be as lucky.

Via: The Verge

Source: ITC Ruling

Nick is a tech enthusiast who has a soft spot for HTC and its devices. He started HTCsource.com (the first HTC blog) back in 2007 and later joined the Android and Me family in the summer of 2010.

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  • zyphbear

    I really hope HTC can get a workaround quickly so the ban doesn’t really take effect!

    • TechnoTalkative

      Yes this should be solved quickly otherwise effect will also be on Android market.

    • mmmark111

      As much as this annoys me, it’s also quite funny. The affected phones will be so antiquated by the time the ban is supposed to happen that it really doesn’t matter. Although it would still be a win for the Apple team….

      • Deter

        considering those phones are not widely purchased at this time, they’ll certainly be on their way out before the ban. the “victory” really means very little in terms of stopping HTC.

      • http://ArtisticAbode.com BetterWithRoot

        I agree. I think it’s funny that if it does go through my G2 will be considered contraband.

      • ruvort

        Lol they don’t realize this since their own product is behind and slow to update anyways. Once a year…. while android has s competitive market with numerous phones being released each quarter

    • flamesbladeflcl

      they will there is no way the phones will actually be banned

    • booyootoo

      In stead of replying to you I replied in the end… here’s my reply:

      If you look at http://www.google.com/patents/US5946647?printsec=abstract&source=gbs_overview_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
      I think it should be figure 9

      It looks like they can remove a simple request to show a dialog and just directly show the dialog.
      I think this is when u connect via USB and you are asked to connect to the computer, or keep charging. (I think this is the case on Android 2.1 (on HTC phones)

      They might change it to charge immediately and then you can select whether to use your device as mass storage device. (which i think is the case on android 2.3 on HTC phones)

      • booyootoo

        In stead of charge immediately they can auto mount your sdcard or storage as is currently done on for instance Ice cream sandwich.

      • https://plus.google.com/109600738460265587799/posts Lewis McGeary

        This doesn’t read to me like an action taken when plugging in a usb, it’s talking about actions taken when picking out patterns of data from text like phone numbers, email addresses etc.

        The best thing about the patent though is that the diagram includes a FLOPPY DISK DRIVE! Apple are going to put a floppy drive in iPhone 5 and cite this patent if anyone else tries to do it too!

        • http://www.baldypal.com Adam Jones

          I agree. I read it the same way Lewis does. And as I think about it, my Yahoo! mail client does the same thing. Then so dows my Outlook client too. And all other microsoft office products. Does this mean Apple is going for Yahoo! and Microsoft next for violation on the same patent?

          • Deter

            only if they make a phone that might give them decent competition. if they do that, you’d better believe Apple will be all over them.

    • ruvort

      yeah these moves by apple are really getting annoying. If they are successful in shutting companies down, especially android itself, the customers are the ones who suffer with there being a lack of a competitive market.

  • http://goncalossilva.com goncalossilva

    Why do judges keep listening to them? Oh well.. at least it’s “a small UI experience and HTC will completely remove it from all of our phones soon.”.

    • faun

      Not even all the phones – just the phones they want to continue to import (i.e. their currently supported/selling models). Should be a breeze!

    • ruvort

      society has made apple an icon, an icon that apparently created all technology and all other companies just copy their “innovations”. People really need to wake up and realize that Apple did no such thing. They mostly have capitalized on others ideas before they took off and marketed them in a way that puts their name on any device like it…. how many people call mp3 players iPods … too many.

  • BiGMERF

    I have been cracking up, people on twitter and other social outlets think they will walk into a carrier tomorrow and not be able to buy an HTC or that there current Htc will somehow stop functioning.. lol. google and htc will get this corrected in time.

    • http://htcsource.com Nick Gray

      While the ruling by the ITC is a big deal, HTC’s software fix should be able to keep their phones on store shelves for consumers to enjoy.

  • Bryan Stoner

    FUCK YOU APPLE!

    • stenzor

      They are a bunch of bullies aren’t they

      • http://sean-the-electrofreak.blogspot.com/ Sean the Electrofreak

        Not really, they’re more like the kind of guy that brags about his sports car and then calls everyone else who has one a poser.

        • Alex George

          And their sports car is red and because of that nobody in the world can also have a red sports car

      • Thomas Taylor

        Blame the idiots who brought about the current IP law regime, and the current state of software patents in particular. Apple’s just playing the game – they didn’t invent it. At least not all by themselves.

    • Serge

      I’M SO SICK OF APPLE

    • levigarret

      haha, thank you for this comment . . . just made my morning!

  • ramenchef

    1) this only affects devices 1.6-2.2. 2.3 fixes this issue.
    2) it only applies to a specific method of data tapping and not data tapping in general. They just have to implement a different method of data tapping to avoid this patent.

  • myandroid99

    does this mean you cant use the phone?

    • http://sean-the-electrofreak.blogspot.com/ Sean the Electrofreak

      No. The ITC cannot impose any restrictions upon devices already sold to consumers.

    • flamesbladeflcl

      yes, you can send it to me for safe disposal

  • cfvonner

    I thought the patent issue involved the OS ferreting out things like phone numbers from text messages and emails and converting them to “hot” links. When the links are pressed, an application (such a phone dialer) is automatically launched using that number.

    • faun

      That’s my understanding also. But it’s even more specific than that: it’s the method by which that’s done. So they just need to tweak that process, and they’re good to go basically!

  • virexed

    Are Android 1.6 – 2.2 devices in production anymore? This ban doesn’t make sense to me.

    • http://htcsource.com Nick Gray

      HTC still has a few phones on the market that run on Android 2.2. They are hard to find, but you can find them on you service providers websites at discounted rates

      • Futureboy

        So… Apple’s major victory is that they have now successfully banned obsolete phones?
        Wow… That was time and money well spent.

        • http://droidsamurai.blogspot.com DroidSamurai

          Now the rapid life cycle of new Android smartphones finally see some usages.

        • http://www.desean.net desean

          Maybe Apple’s victory will help older phones get their upgrade to 2.3. Looks like it might be a blessing in disguise afterall.

  • BlkSquad

    the current US copyright laws are broken.
    And i hate Apple, sore losers.

    • csmith71

      I thought my next desktop computer was going to be a Mac but ever since Apple decided the best way for them to compete in the marketplace was to sue their competition, I’ve decided against that. As much as I dislike Windows, I dislike cry babies even more.

      • flamesbladeflcl

        go for linux

      • w9jds

        Plus the fact that that Apple are a ton of hippocrits. All they say is Android copied this, and Android copied this. WTF did your notification system come from?!?! HOW ABOUT YOUR MULTI-TASKING!!!! GO F YOURSELVES APPLE!!!

  • Skis03

    I think they will get a fix in to remove the patented material so that their products are no longer banned.

  • http://genesischess.com/ MJM128

    I can’t believe that can actually be patented.

  • http://sean-the-electrofreak.blogspot.com/ Sean the Electrofreak

    I would love to see Google just open up on Apple using Motorola’s patent portfolio. All that would be left would be fritters.

  • http://youtube.com/user/jawckamoe Marcus

    Why does Apple have to be so freaken stupid!? Are they really that scared to where they HAVE to attempt to BAN Android devices from being sold!?

    Its a good thing HTC has something in the works to fix it. Hopefully they fix the “small UI experience.” It just bugs me how apple is so dumb

  • cxandroid

    Time to reform Patent law, this is getting ridiculous.

  • http://htcsource.com Nick Gray

    People need to keep in mind that design patents like this are only valid for 14 years. The patent in question was granted in 1999, giving apple only 2 more years to use it against HTC and other Android OEMs.

    • koorsr

      Does anyone knw hownthey aquired the patent? I guess they bought the patents from someone then because they had nothing to do with phones back then.

      • Jeb

        The patent doesn’t say phone system, but rather computer. As smart phones are more like computers than phones these days it can be applied in this instance. At least that’s how I’m reading the ITC decision on the matter.

  • YMS123

    A court case over a “small UI experience “? Really Apple… What do you want, you think people will say “hey, no HTC, oh well, I’ll just get an iphone”, not happening

  • Jorge Eslava

    Others blogs crack me up, they talk like HTC is done for, the sale of HTC phones will not stop for even a day, they’ll make the changes necessary asap.

  • Jessica

    Another judge ruled in Apple’s favour? Why am I not shocked?

  • ArticulateFool

    These patents are going to be what holds many technologies in this world back.

    Patents are great for providing incentives to inventors; however, this system is very flawed at the moment.

    I hope to see a strong push for patent reform in the next few years.

  • Cole Loomis

    I have nothing against Apple, I own a Mac, but they need to pull that stick out of their [bottom]. They are just mad that Android is doing better than the iPhone.

  • Techrocket9

    Dark days are upon us.

  • Six8Six

    It’s not like you aren’t making money Apple

  • mukul.modi

    I bet that judge had an iPhone

  • Qrkchrm

    The fact that these “patent issues” can be fixed with a small software update without changing functionality is a testament to how broken our patent system is.

  • mike

    I hope apple goes outta business.

  • http://lawrencesamantha.com olentz

    By April 2012, most of those devices would be obsolete. HTC just need to concentrate that their current & future devices will not infringe these patents.

  • ralphwiggum1

    Like others have said, this doesn’t actually mean anything. With all the press though, it does make it sound like these foreign companies (HTC) are ripping off American innovation (Apple).

    However HTC has been in the smartphone game years before Apple entered the market.

  • jamal adam

    Android scares Apple that’s why they are suing everyone.

  • DroidPower

    Adapted from a quote from the West Wing…

    If they have to sue you, you know you are doing something right.

    Go Samsung!

  • http://www.jimtravis.com jimtravis

    Some sites are reporting this is a minor inconvenience, this site seems to consider it a bit more involved. HTC PR (and I realize PR downplays negative items) indicates already working on eliminating problem in a software patch, have four months to deliver, and at least initially, involves version 2.2 and earlier. The higher end phones already use 2.3 or higher. Other patent claims in the same case seem to have been ruled not infringed upon by HTC, and very little is being said about those pluses for HTC.

    If I remember correctly, this patent was issued long before the iPhone, or iPod existed, and there are certainly arguments to support it should never have been issued in the first place. Of course, I am not a patent attorney, so who knows?

    If HTC is correct, and do indeed issue a software patch to remove infringing issue before deadline, sounds like a lot of fuss about a minor issue at best. I like HTC products, and court happy Apple will actually increase my proclivity to buy HTC products, and irony of ironies, not buy any more Apple products. Although Apple mobile products are too restricted to be my daily driver, I have purchased them because I am a gadget addict. I think in the future, I will be a gadget addict minus Apple devices since they cannot be my daily driver, and I don’t like the company’s current “sue happy” attitude.

  • http://tinkerdad.blogspot.com xfaith

    I have never had an HTC phones, but always here great reviews on their products. And to hear about all these patent lawsuits is just ridiculous, some of the patents are just so broad that there is no way around them.

    I do like to hear that HTC has a software update in the works that will be able to clear the “ban” and they will hopefully be able to continue the sale of android phones in the US.

    As for how apple will use this to go after google and android well I guess we will wait and see.

  • Kevin Amundson

    I’m glad to see that HTC gets time to rectify the situation by updating the existing phones even if new phones aren’t affected.

  • Anthropic

    The small ui experience is turning email address into a link automatically.

    I hate Apple more and more with each passing day. I also lose faith in humanity with each new litigation they bring over remarkably trivial crap.

  • Jimmy13

    I love my g2 but it and the rest of these phones are EOL. Htc did the smart thing and dragged it out till they were replaced by the newer phones.

  • mmmark111

    Apple: Hey bro, WTF. Is that a “PHONE”?!?!?!
    Android Phone Maker: Uuhh, yea. It’s a phone. Makes calls and shit.
    Apple: You kidding me bro?! We invented phones! Don’t you remember that patent from like, 1492 about soup cans attached with wire?!
    Android Phone Maker: Are you joking?
    Apple: No way. Nuh ah. I’m calling the ITC. You’re in big trouble.
    Android Phone Maker: For what? Making a phone?
    Apple: Duh! Wait a freakin’ minute. Your “phone” also has a “screen”?! That’s it. We’ve had enough of this. Time for a round of “let’s count how many lawsuits we can file before everyone realizes that we’re yesterdays tech and stops shoveling money into our pockets”
    Android Phone Maker: Idiots

  • Truckerniner

    Damn I have evo 3D And I love htc

  • Shadowlore

    I am truely sick to death of these dang patent lawsuits…. If you can’t innovate…LITIGATE!

    Apple’s new mantra.

  • romy134

    Does this mean my DINC will get 3.0? ^^~

    • flamesbladeflcl

      as 3.0 is tablet only I doubt it. you might be able to get a rom for 4.0 but I doubt from htc.

  • Chuxter

    I smell shenanigans!

  • andy_spoo

    Personally, I think their should be no software patents. Its like inventing the pen, then some company comes along and patents a line, then a Circle, then a squiggle. Software can be used to do anything. Hardware yes, software no.

  • flamesbladeflcl

    I love my thunderbolt. Software patents are evil. It should be more like a copyright then a pattent

  • dafi81

    The current US copyright laws are flawed. Every little thing has a copyrigright and big companies use them like clubs.

  • Steven Lee

    Well Well Well, Apple has finally done it… Apple now became “the man”, shame on them…

  • donger
  • jenskristian

    No worries. They’ll just ship an update that removes one small “UI Experience” and this is the end of that.

  • benben

    Wow, this already went way too far a long time ago.
    This whole litigation farce really makes Apple look like a bully and a company that’s scared of competition. The only ones gaining on this are the greedy lawyers and we, the comsumers, are the losers.

    Come on, Obama. Veto that decision! YES WE CAN!
    An here’s for a moment of silence for the HTC Vision (G2/Desire Z).

    • benben

      Yeah, and obviously those last two sentences were meant as a joke. Some people fail to see that :)

  • oddball

    So Apple wins a victory that bans the import of devices that by the time the import ban occurs will be dead. Android continues to increase sales and innovate new products. Apple still refuses to go after Google because they think they will lose a head to head court battle. Seems to me that they are just trying to add an “apple tax” to all phones on the market.

  • Adryan maldonado

    As much as i hate apple this patent doesnt really seem to affect people unless they need replacements. While i hate the fact that phones are getting banned how many people acutally want a 2 year old phone? Its not a good thing but its not that bad either.

    • Adryan maldonado

      Either way i say ” SCREW YOU APPLE!!!!!” go patent troll on the freaking dark side of moon cause im sure its infringing on your patens cause its round and glows at night and so you can be alone with your precious perfect iphone(NOT!!!!)

  • booyootoo

    If you look at http://www.google.com/patents/US5946647?printsec=abstract&source=gbs_overview_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
    I think it should be figure 9

    It looks like they can remove a simple request to show a dialog and just directly show the dialog.
    I think this is when u connect via USB and you are asked to connect to the computer, or keep charging. (I think this is the case on Android 2.1 (on HTC phones)

    They might change it to charge immediately and then you can select whether to use your device as mass storage device. (which i think is the case on android 2.3 on HTC phones)

  • Rob Vermeij

    Apple will loose more and more costumers when they continue like this….

  • Luke Haviland

    apple is so ridiculous
    this is the reason why i wont buy apple products
    ever
    i admit they make cool devices
    but they way the company runs is totally against everything the silicon valley life style is all about

  • slimx30

    I’m tired of apple. They hate the fact that android is number one in market share, so they go and pull all these little bs patent suits. we need patent reform asap.

  • http://androidtidbits.com Androidtidbits.com

    Well do you want to hear Apple’s statement:

    “We think competition is healthy but competitors should create their own original technology, not steal ours.”

    This really suck. Common Apple, where do you think your notification bar came from?

    • nwilliam3

      And the original Mac UI was stolen from Xerox, digital music players existed before iPods, tablets existed before iPads and iCloud is pretty much a DropBox rip off.

  • gherea

    FUCK YOU APPLE!

  • James Woods

    “run on versions between 1.6 and 2.2″ Hmmm maybe just update them! Wouldn’t mind a few more patent cases if it got the OEM’s off their arse and updating phones!

  • Toonshorty

    I don’t get it? I thought you couldn’t patent something with prior art?

    My Sony Ericsson from 2005 could do this.

    If I got a text with numbers in it, low and behold it became a phone number that I could click!

    This is just getting stupid now, at least HTC can make an easy work around.

    • nctrns

      The problem is, the people at the patent office are not really doing the best job with research before granting patents.

      • nwilliam3

        I think the patent office pretty much sits on things for a few years and rubber stamps them. I think they’ve decide it’s to hard to figure out all the rules so they let the courts do their jobs.

  • https://plus.google.com/109600738460265587799/posts Lewis McGeary

    These lawsuits are getting completely tiresome! In this case it seems a minor easily fixed issue, and if froyo and below handsets are being sold in April 2012 that would be the bigger problem!
    It seems that a blanket ban is a disproportionate response, but while Apple can cause this to happen, that’s what they’ll keep doing!

    • nctrns

      I don’t like what’s Apple doing, but really, they’re just using the tools at their disposal. The real problem is the patent system that allows patenting such silly things, and software patents in general.

  • Seniareilrahc

    Wouldn’t it be nice if this while patent war would just stop…to bad apple seems to be getting desperate seeing as Android is taking over what they thought was their territory

  • HoLfElDeR

    Will this ever end?

  • Alex Pena

    Apple, Apple, Apple! Why?

  • McLovin

    FU Apple!

  • Rob Vermeij

    OMG an Apple fanboy just -1 all post that are negative about them :S

  • protozeloz

    Lucky the ruling may be considered meaningless, infringing devices are not on sale at most or in the process of being discontinued

  • http://www.neilcalvin.com Neil Calvin

    Sounds like Apple wasted more money than it was worth on this weak little ruling. Good!

  • n25philly

    Well, I guess suing is easier than improving your products…

  • dpleus

    Things like this are the very reason my wife hates Apple and I left my iPhone and joined the Android revolution. What really gets me is that Apple is always looking at these patents and suing other companies that are infringing on their designs, but then Apple works behind the scenes with other entities to control pricing and such so they can drive up their revenue, a la ebook sales, and their involvement with publishers to set ebook prices at the same or higher levels than hard copies so nobody looses money. @#$%^&* Apple!

  • Shawn Clark

    Apple ain’t been going at nobody til other companies started catching up to their tactics and even surpass it to make them work harder. Sucks to be a IOS fanboy doesn’t it? Google ain’t goin nowhere so y bother.

  • Derek

    HTC should have tried to invalidate the patent. “system and method [which] causes a computer to detect and perform actions on structures identified in computer data” is pretty vague and unclear what it even is. Inventions that are vague or obvious are not supposed to be patentable.

  • moelsen8

    what i want to know is.. where the hell can i get that bugdroid bag in the picture? i see that thing everywhere.. i need one!

  • Jeremy Johns

    I believe this to be a non-story. It’s old ways of doing business and HTC/Android has moved on. It’s funny that Steve Jobs hated Android and Goodle but would use google as the standard search engine on his devices as well as use google maps integration.

  • eyesparky

    Apple are really beginning to look tired.

  • GeauxLSU

    With the slow speed of the courts and the fast speed of Android updates, hopefully none of the newly released devices will be banned.

  • Louis A

    Even if the band goes through, it’s not gonna affect the newer phones so apple it’s gonna affect mostly phone that are kinda old and where probably at the end of their life.

  • Alec Waddelow

    Another big FUCK YOU to apple

  • Donald Williams

    Boo. This is getting crazy.Cant even create anything now adays without apple sticking their nose into it

  • Lee Swanson

    Ugg…I’m so tired of sue happy big brother apple! :-(

  • Tankfantry

    So the April deadline is for what? New designs? From the sounds of it HTC is looking like they’re going to have completely start over. That’s going to cost some serious money.

  • halo0

    God I hate apple and their ridiculous patents of common sense things. Oh, the user powers on the device by pressing a button!?!? WE HAVE A PATENT FOR THAT!!!!1!!!!!eleven!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • ndub21

    Apple needs to innovate and quit sueing. The funny thing is that they shamelessly copied Android’s swipe down notification bar. Then they showed that off and said the iPhone “changes everything”. Haha.

  • Chris
  • My galaxy

    My girlfriend just had an update to her desire hd in the UK today . So looks like the changes are already happening. Unlocking screen now uses the circle up motion, transition between screens is different and it seems faster. So from her point of view, thanks apple you’ve made her very happy.

  • Billy

    I do get tired of some of the patent lawsuits and the ability for ITC to just block trade with a wave of their wand.

    Patents certainly have their place but many of the software style patents are just crazy. Patent reform will come … just patience for now.

    Keep fighting the fight HTC.

  • Kaote

    All this litigation will eventually backfire on Apple, either through people being turned off from their bullying antics, or android finding work arounds for these thinly enforced patents. What happens when they can no longer litigate to keep their hold on the market?

  • RevSpaminator

    I think I’ll patent the process of resolving patent disputes by legal proceeding­s. Then I can start suing anyone else who attempts to sue for patent infringeme­nt. (Can you imagine charging lawyers a fee for once? Such a violation of the laws of nature may cause the universe to implode.)

  • droiddewd

    Apple has to realize that there really isn’t a good endgame to this patent ligitation strategy. I mean this patent ‘win’ ended up affecting a small patent issue that HTC is going to change on phones that the consumer has left behind and moving on to bigger and better Android phones. I dont see how Apple than think they are going to overtake Android this way, but maybe they arent seeing that reality yet. Glad I don’t care for a company that sees things that way.

    • ruvort

      Yeah this really looks like a move of desperation on Apples part.

  • auronblue

    I’m sure this is probably a non-issue for HTC. Likely, as soon as the litigation started, they started to develop a workaround. This is just going to increase the amount of anti-Apple sentiment and make them look like even bigger a**holes.

    • ruvort

      I couldn’t agree more. I hope apple does dig themselves into a hole big enough that even their biggest followers start to question their methods in business as well as “innovation”

  • fatspirit

    It seems that Apple wants to be first not only in innovating, but in the lawsuiting too. I can understand that, but I’m on the Android’s side anyway.

  • dnar56

    I hope they don’t block my audiovox xv6700!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Martjn2

    Once upon a time there was an evil company called apple. They hated normal folks and tried do destroy nice products that other companys made. They just made products for baristas.. And did products worth 100$ and put a price tag that said 400$

    Hate apple!
    😘😁🔴😄😒🚏🐰😝🔳🌾🌾🔲😔😊🌇🏢🏪🏪🎥📺📱

    Written on an iphone

    • ruvort

      Yeah. I don’t know why people blindly follow their product line like it was a gift from the gods….

    • Samar

      what was written on an iphone ?..the code or the entire para up there !!
      Iin any case, sounds justified.

  • Rovex

    Apple is losing this war if only they knew it. They are getting FAR more patents invalidated than they are getting victories. This one is utterly pointless, its only applies to old phones anyway. Sales will not be affected, and the PR victory is very much in HTCs favour.

    • ruvort

      Yepp, all it is doing is showing Apple in a really bad light. They might actually start looking like the wannabe monopolistic company they really are, to their biggest followers even…

  • securifirm

    BS patents…the patent system needs revamped.

  • phor11

    Patent Trolling – 1
    Customers – 0

  • WlfHart

    When will a judge finally see these patent wars as the ridiculous squabble they are and just ban such nonsense from the courts?

  • humidity

    Apple needs to relax…

  • Samar

    Way to go HTC.

  • w9jds

    Well I just read that they already have a work around finished for the issue, it was just a software workaround that they needed. They stated that it was only a small feature that was rarely ever used. They are already testing the update on their phones now, so the chances are those phones will barely be of shelves if at all. Good job HTC

  • _Diego

    I like HTC’s proactive reaction, that’s the way to handle these cases!

  • donger

    htc will prevail

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  1. I really hope HTC can get a workaround quickly so the ban doesn’t really take effect!

  2. Why do judges keep listening to them? Oh well.. at least it’s “a small UI experience and HTC will completely remove it from all of our phones soon.”.

    • Not even all the phones – just the phones they want to continue to import (i.e. their currently supported/selling models). Should be a breeze!

    • society has made apple an icon, an icon that apparently created all technology and all other companies just copy their “innovations”. People really need to wake up and realize that Apple did no such thing. They mostly have capitalized on others ideas before they took off and marketed them in a way that puts their name on any device like it…. how many people call mp3 players iPods … too many.

  3. I have been cracking up, people on twitter and other social outlets think they will walk into a carrier tomorrow and not be able to buy an HTC or that there current Htc will somehow stop functioning.. lol. google and htc will get this corrected in time.

  4. 1) this only affects devices 1.6-2.2. 2.3 fixes this issue.
    2) it only applies to a specific method of data tapping and not data tapping in general. They just have to implement a different method of data tapping to avoid this patent.

  5. does this mean you cant use the phone?

  6. I thought the patent issue involved the OS ferreting out things like phone numbers from text messages and emails and converting them to “hot” links. When the links are pressed, an application (such a phone dialer) is automatically launched using that number.

    • That’s my understanding also. But it’s even more specific than that: it’s the method by which that’s done. So they just need to tweak that process, and they’re good to go basically!

  7. Are Android 1.6 – 2.2 devices in production anymore? This ban doesn’t make sense to me.

  8. the current US copyright laws are broken.
    And i hate Apple, sore losers.

    • I thought my next desktop computer was going to be a Mac but ever since Apple decided the best way for them to compete in the marketplace was to sue their competition, I’ve decided against that. As much as I dislike Windows, I dislike cry babies even more.

  9. I think they will get a fix in to remove the patented material so that their products are no longer banned.

  10. I can’t believe that can actually be patented.

  11. I would love to see Google just open up on Apple using Motorola’s patent portfolio. All that would be left would be fritters.

  12. Why does Apple have to be so freaken stupid!? Are they really that scared to where they HAVE to attempt to BAN Android devices from being sold!?

    Its a good thing HTC has something in the works to fix it. Hopefully they fix the “small UI experience.” It just bugs me how apple is so dumb

  13. Time to reform Patent law, this is getting ridiculous.

  14. People need to keep in mind that design patents like this are only valid for 14 years. The patent in question was granted in 1999, giving apple only 2 more years to use it against HTC and other Android OEMs.

    • Does anyone knw hownthey aquired the patent? I guess they bought the patents from someone then because they had nothing to do with phones back then.

      • The patent doesn’t say phone system, but rather computer. As smart phones are more like computers than phones these days it can be applied in this instance. At least that’s how I’m reading the ITC decision on the matter.

  15. A court case over a “small UI experience “? Really Apple… What do you want, you think people will say “hey, no HTC, oh well, I’ll just get an iphone”, not happening

  16. Others blogs crack me up, they talk like HTC is done for, the sale of HTC phones will not stop for even a day, they’ll make the changes necessary asap.

  17. Another judge ruled in Apple’s favour? Why am I not shocked?

  18. These patents are going to be what holds many technologies in this world back.

    Patents are great for providing incentives to inventors; however, this system is very flawed at the moment.

    I hope to see a strong push for patent reform in the next few years.

  19. I have nothing against Apple, I own a Mac, but they need to pull that stick out of their [bottom]. They are just mad that Android is doing better than the iPhone.

  20. Dark days are upon us.

  21. It’s not like you aren’t making money Apple

  22. I bet that judge had an iPhone

  23. The fact that these “patent issues” can be fixed with a small software update without changing functionality is a testament to how broken our patent system is.

  24. mikeGuest 3 years ago

    I hope apple goes outta business.

  25. By April 2012, most of those devices would be obsolete. HTC just need to concentrate that their current & future devices will not infringe these patents.

  26. Like others have said, this doesn’t actually mean anything. With all the press though, it does make it sound like these foreign companies (HTC) are ripping off American innovation (Apple).

    However HTC has been in the smartphone game years before Apple entered the market.

  27. Android scares Apple that’s why they are suing everyone.

  28. Adapted from a quote from the West Wing…

    If they have to sue you, you know you are doing something right.

    Go Samsung!

  29. Some sites are reporting this is a minor inconvenience, this site seems to consider it a bit more involved. HTC PR (and I realize PR downplays negative items) indicates already working on eliminating problem in a software patch, have four months to deliver, and at least initially, involves version 2.2 and earlier. The higher end phones already use 2.3 or higher. Other patent claims in the same case seem to have been ruled not infringed upon by HTC, and very little is being said about those pluses for HTC.

    If I remember correctly, this patent was issued long before the iPhone, or iPod existed, and there are certainly arguments to support it should never have been issued in the first place. Of course, I am not a patent attorney, so who knows?

    If HTC is correct, and do indeed issue a software patch to remove infringing issue before deadline, sounds like a lot of fuss about a minor issue at best. I like HTC products, and court happy Apple will actually increase my proclivity to buy HTC products, and irony of ironies, not buy any more Apple products. Although Apple mobile products are too restricted to be my daily driver, I have purchased them because I am a gadget addict. I think in the future, I will be a gadget addict minus Apple devices since they cannot be my daily driver, and I don’t like the company’s current “sue happy” attitude.

  30. I have never had an HTC phones, but always here great reviews on their products. And to hear about all these patent lawsuits is just ridiculous, some of the patents are just so broad that there is no way around them.

    I do like to hear that HTC has a software update in the works that will be able to clear the “ban” and they will hopefully be able to continue the sale of android phones in the US.

    As for how apple will use this to go after google and android well I guess we will wait and see.

  31. I’m glad to see that HTC gets time to rectify the situation by updating the existing phones even if new phones aren’t affected.

  32. The small ui experience is turning email address into a link automatically.

    I hate Apple more and more with each passing day. I also lose faith in humanity with each new litigation they bring over remarkably trivial crap.

  33. I love my g2 but it and the rest of these phones are EOL. Htc did the smart thing and dragged it out till they were replaced by the newer phones.

  34. Apple: Hey bro, WTF. Is that a “PHONE”?!?!?!
    Android Phone Maker: Uuhh, yea. It’s a phone. Makes calls and shit.
    Apple: You kidding me bro?! We invented phones! Don’t you remember that patent from like, 1492 about soup cans attached with wire?!
    Android Phone Maker: Are you joking?
    Apple: No way. Nuh ah. I’m calling the ITC. You’re in big trouble.
    Android Phone Maker: For what? Making a phone?
    Apple: Duh! Wait a freakin’ minute. Your “phone” also has a “screen”?! That’s it. We’ve had enough of this. Time for a round of “let’s count how many lawsuits we can file before everyone realizes that we’re yesterdays tech and stops shoveling money into our pockets”
    Android Phone Maker: Idiots

  35. Damn I have evo 3D And I love htc

  36. I am truely sick to death of these dang patent lawsuits…. If you can’t innovate…LITIGATE!

    Apple’s new mantra.

  37. Does this mean my DINC will get 3.0? ^^~

  38. I smell shenanigans!

  39. andy_spooGuest 3 years ago

    Personally, I think their should be no software patents. Its like inventing the pen, then some company comes along and patents a line, then a Circle, then a squiggle. Software can be used to do anything. Hardware yes, software no.

  40. I love my thunderbolt. Software patents are evil. It should be more like a copyright then a pattent

  41. The current US copyright laws are flawed. Every little thing has a copyrigright and big companies use them like clubs.

  42. Well Well Well, Apple has finally done it… Apple now became “the man”, shame on them…

  43. No worries. They’ll just ship an update that removes one small “UI Experience” and this is the end of that.

  44. Wow, this already went way too far a long time ago.
    This whole litigation farce really makes Apple look like a bully and a company that’s scared of competition. The only ones gaining on this are the greedy lawyers and we, the comsumers, are the losers.

    Come on, Obama. Veto that decision! YES WE CAN!
    An here’s for a moment of silence for the HTC Vision (G2/Desire Z).

  45. So Apple wins a victory that bans the import of devices that by the time the import ban occurs will be dead. Android continues to increase sales and innovate new products. Apple still refuses to go after Google because they think they will lose a head to head court battle. Seems to me that they are just trying to add an “apple tax” to all phones on the market.

  46. As much as i hate apple this patent doesnt really seem to affect people unless they need replacements. While i hate the fact that phones are getting banned how many people acutally want a 2 year old phone? Its not a good thing but its not that bad either.

    • Either way i say ” SCREW YOU APPLE!!!!!” go patent troll on the freaking dark side of moon cause im sure its infringing on your patens cause its round and glows at night and so you can be alone with your precious perfect iphone(NOT!!!!)

  47. If you look at http://www.google.com/patents/US5946647?printsec=abstract&source=gbs_overview_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
    I think it should be figure 9

    It looks like they can remove a simple request to show a dialog and just directly show the dialog.
    I think this is when u connect via USB and you are asked to connect to the computer, or keep charging. (I think this is the case on Android 2.1 (on HTC phones)

    They might change it to charge immediately and then you can select whether to use your device as mass storage device. (which i think is the case on android 2.3 on HTC phones)

  48. Apple will loose more and more costumers when they continue like this….

  49. apple is so ridiculous
    this is the reason why i wont buy apple products
    ever
    i admit they make cool devices
    but they way the company runs is totally against everything the silicon valley life style is all about

  50. I’m tired of apple. They hate the fact that android is number one in market share, so they go and pull all these little bs patent suits. we need patent reform asap.

  51. Well do you want to hear Apple’s statement:

    “We think competition is healthy but competitors should create their own original technology, not steal ours.”

    This really suck. Common Apple, where do you think your notification bar came from?

    • And the original Mac UI was stolen from Xerox, digital music players existed before iPods, tablets existed before iPads and iCloud is pretty much a DropBox rip off.

  52. “run on versions between 1.6 and 2.2″ Hmmm maybe just update them! Wouldn’t mind a few more patent cases if it got the OEM’s off their arse and updating phones!

  53. I don’t get it? I thought you couldn’t patent something with prior art?

    My Sony Ericsson from 2005 could do this.

    If I got a text with numbers in it, low and behold it became a phone number that I could click!

    This is just getting stupid now, at least HTC can make an easy work around.

    • The problem is, the people at the patent office are not really doing the best job with research before granting patents.

      • I think the patent office pretty much sits on things for a few years and rubber stamps them. I think they’ve decide it’s to hard to figure out all the rules so they let the courts do their jobs.

  54. These lawsuits are getting completely tiresome! In this case it seems a minor easily fixed issue, and if froyo and below handsets are being sold in April 2012 that would be the bigger problem!
    It seems that a blanket ban is a disproportionate response, but while Apple can cause this to happen, that’s what they’ll keep doing!

    • I don’t like what’s Apple doing, but really, they’re just using the tools at their disposal. The real problem is the patent system that allows patenting such silly things, and software patents in general.

  55. Wouldn’t it be nice if this while patent war would just stop…to bad apple seems to be getting desperate seeing as Android is taking over what they thought was their territory

  56. Apple, Apple, Apple! Why?

  57. OMG an Apple fanboy just -1 all post that are negative about them :S

  58. Lucky the ruling may be considered meaningless, infringing devices are not on sale at most or in the process of being discontinued

  59. Sounds like Apple wasted more money than it was worth on this weak little ruling. Good!

  60. Well, I guess suing is easier than improving your products…

  61. Things like this are the very reason my wife hates Apple and I left my iPhone and joined the Android revolution. What really gets me is that Apple is always looking at these patents and suing other companies that are infringing on their designs, but then Apple works behind the scenes with other entities to control pricing and such so they can drive up their revenue, a la ebook sales, and their involvement with publishers to set ebook prices at the same or higher levels than hard copies so nobody looses money. @#$%^&* Apple!

  62. Apple ain’t been going at nobody til other companies started catching up to their tactics and even surpass it to make them work harder. Sucks to be a IOS fanboy doesn’t it? Google ain’t goin nowhere so y bother.

  63. DerekGuest 3 years ago

    HTC should have tried to invalidate the patent. “system and method [which] causes a computer to detect and perform actions on structures identified in computer data” is pretty vague and unclear what it even is. Inventions that are vague or obvious are not supposed to be patentable.

  64. what i want to know is.. where the hell can i get that bugdroid bag in the picture? i see that thing everywhere.. i need one!

  65. I believe this to be a non-story. It’s old ways of doing business and HTC/Android has moved on. It’s funny that Steve Jobs hated Android and Goodle but would use google as the standard search engine on his devices as well as use google maps integration.

  66. Apple are really beginning to look tired.

  67. With the slow speed of the courts and the fast speed of Android updates, hopefully none of the newly released devices will be banned.

  68. Even if the band goes through, it’s not gonna affect the newer phones so apple it’s gonna affect mostly phone that are kinda old and where probably at the end of their life.

  69. Another big FUCK YOU to apple

  70. Boo. This is getting crazy.Cant even create anything now adays without apple sticking their nose into it

  71. Ugg…I’m so tired of sue happy big brother apple! :-(

  72. So the April deadline is for what? New designs? From the sounds of it HTC is looking like they’re going to have completely start over. That’s going to cost some serious money.

  73. God I hate apple and their ridiculous patents of common sense things. Oh, the user powers on the device by pressing a button!?!? WE HAVE A PATENT FOR THAT!!!!1!!!!!eleven!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  74. Apple needs to innovate and quit sueing. The funny thing is that they shamelessly copied Android’s swipe down notification bar. Then they showed that off and said the iPhone “changes everything”. Haha.

  75. My galaxyGuest 3 years ago

    My girlfriend just had an update to her desire hd in the UK today . So looks like the changes are already happening. Unlocking screen now uses the circle up motion, transition between screens is different and it seems faster. So from her point of view, thanks apple you’ve made her very happy.

  76. I do get tired of some of the patent lawsuits and the ability for ITC to just block trade with a wave of their wand.

    Patents certainly have their place but many of the software style patents are just crazy. Patent reform will come … just patience for now.

    Keep fighting the fight HTC.

  77. All this litigation will eventually backfire on Apple, either through people being turned off from their bullying antics, or android finding work arounds for these thinly enforced patents. What happens when they can no longer litigate to keep their hold on the market?

  78. I think I’ll patent the process of resolving patent disputes by legal proceeding­s. Then I can start suing anyone else who attempts to sue for patent infringeme­nt. (Can you imagine charging lawyers a fee for once? Such a violation of the laws of nature may cause the universe to implode.)

  79. Apple has to realize that there really isn’t a good endgame to this patent ligitation strategy. I mean this patent ‘win’ ended up affecting a small patent issue that HTC is going to change on phones that the consumer has left behind and moving on to bigger and better Android phones. I dont see how Apple than think they are going to overtake Android this way, but maybe they arent seeing that reality yet. Glad I don’t care for a company that sees things that way.

  80. I’m sure this is probably a non-issue for HTC. Likely, as soon as the litigation started, they started to develop a workaround. This is just going to increase the amount of anti-Apple sentiment and make them look like even bigger a**holes.

    • I couldn’t agree more. I hope apple does dig themselves into a hole big enough that even their biggest followers start to question their methods in business as well as “innovation”

  81. It seems that Apple wants to be first not only in innovating, but in the lawsuiting too. I can understand that, but I’m on the Android’s side anyway.

  82. dnar56Guest 3 years ago

    I hope they don’t block my audiovox xv6700!!!!!!!!!!!!

  83. Once upon a time there was an evil company called apple. They hated normal folks and tried do destroy nice products that other companys made. They just made products for baristas.. And did products worth 100$ and put a price tag that said 400$

    Hate apple!
    😘😁🔴😄😒🚏🐰😝🔳🌾🌾🔲😔😊🌇🏢🏪🏪🎥📺📱

    Written on an iphone

  84. RovexGuest 3 years ago

    Apple is losing this war if only they knew it. They are getting FAR more patents invalidated than they are getting victories. This one is utterly pointless, its only applies to old phones anyway. Sales will not be affected, and the PR victory is very much in HTCs favour.

    • Yepp, all it is doing is showing Apple in a really bad light. They might actually start looking like the wannabe monopolistic company they really are, to their biggest followers even…

  85. BS patents…the patent system needs revamped.

  86. Patent Trolling – 1
    Customers – 0

  87. When will a judge finally see these patent wars as the ridiculous squabble they are and just ban such nonsense from the courts?

  88. Apple needs to relax…

  89. Well I just read that they already have a work around finished for the issue, it was just a software workaround that they needed. They stated that it was only a small feature that was rarely ever used. They are already testing the update on their phones now, so the chances are those phones will barely be of shelves if at all. Good job HTC

  90. I like HTC’s proactive reaction, that’s the way to handle these cases!

  91. Syed Arbab Ahmed (@SyedArbabAhmed)Guest 3 years ago

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    7-newer version Download links are given

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