Aug 20 AT 2:24 PM Nick Gray 52 Comments

Apple, Samsung CEOs to have final talk before trial handed over to jury

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According to an anonymous source, Apple’s Tim Cook and Samsung’s Kwon Oh Hyun are expected to talk today about possible settlement agreements over the Apple versus Samsung lawsuit. Both sides have rested their cases and are expected to begin closing arguments on Tuesday with jury deliberation scheduled to begin on Wednesday. The outcome of the phone call between Tim Cook and Samsung’s Kwon Oh Hyun will be presented to US District Judge Lucy Koh, who has stressed multiple times that both Apple and Samsung would be better served by settling their difference out of court.

While it would make sense for Apple and Samsung to come to an agreement, both companies have a lot of pride in their products and their intellectual property. Both parties have tried their best to defend their infringement claims, but neither has been able to present any evidence to suggest that they have the upper hand in this battle.

Jury deliberations are expected to take more than a few days, and it’s nearly impossible to predict in which direction they will rule. Based on what you know of the trial, do you think Apple’s Tim Cook and Samsung’s Kwon Oh Hyun will come to an agreement? If the trial does go do jury deliberations, who do you think will come out on top?

Source: Bloomberg

Nick is a tech enthusiast who has a soft spot for HTC and its devices. He started HTCsource.com (the first HTC blog) back in 2007 and later joined the Android and Me family in the summer of 2010.

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  • http://www.jaxidian.org/update/ jaxidian

    1) No way they’ll come to an agreement (hope I’m wrong).
    2) I think it will be a mixed victory for Apple because the jury will pick favorites and unfortunately, Apple will win that battle.
    Unrequested 3) I hope that the jury decides to nullify all disputed patents and the judge comes sums up the trial with, “Okay bitches, who’s next??”

  • epps720

    At this point I hope they don’t come to terms. I’ve had to suffer enough during this case and need an actual outcome, hoping Samsung will prevail but doubt it.

  • Nate B.

    I think they will, but it’ll be a sour taste.

  • TheTruthSquad

    Neither side will all that they want and it will difficult for all nine jurors to agree on anything. A hung jury on all points would be perfect. They could do it all again.

  • Terrormuslim Mo-Akhbar Farah

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  • Red

    …Yeah, I really hope that Samsung wins..

  • http://htcsource.com Nick Gray

    I see this going two ways. Apple will win a handful of trade dress claims, but the scrolling and zoom patents will be ruled as invalid. Samsung will also win on their 3G patents, forcing Apple to license them (like every other company on the planet already does). In the end it’ll be a tie for both companies, but OEMs will think long and hard before putting out a device which looks like an iPhone.

    • http://www.focuszonedevelopment.com Homncruse

      That sounds reasonable. Which, unfortunately, is probably why it won’t happen that way.

  • DroidPower

    hopefully they can come to terms, but like many have said, both sides have invested too much to just say “ok, let’s make peace.”

    Cook and Kwon are the two best candidates for this discussion. I remember reading somewhere that Kwon was in charge of the chips that supply the iphone/ipads/etc. before being the CEO, and probably worked a lot with Cook (COO, dealt w/ supply chains) before Jobs left. So maybe a miracle will happen and they will settle.

    I don’t think anything good can come out of a verdict for the consumers. Whichever side loses will try to fight back b/c there is just too much money on the table. If it drags on, then the legal side of things will prevent further innovation b/c anything new that is produced can become evidence in trial in the future.

  • halo0

    Come on, we all know that there isn’t an iPhone’s chance of surviving a 3 foot drop that an agreement will be reached!

  • aranea

    I bet they’ll come to an agreement. Neither of them can afford a loss despite the fact that winning means a lot losing is much worse. If Samsung wins it’ll be open field for any other company against apple. If apple wins samsung will have to pull a lot of devices back and probably scratch designs for upcoming phones and tablets.

    Besides these compaines are connected from the belly to each other despite samsung sells a lot of android phones they still make tons of money by supplying hardware for apple devices. And apple needs samsung to keep supplying hardware to make its devices.

    Of course the terms of the agreement will be top secret and neither of them will admit defeat or claim victory.

    On the other hand, my wish is for it to conclude with a victory for Samsung because that will actually be a win for any other company against apple and they can start designing devices freely.

  • MoSDeeb

    If an agreement is reached (doubtful); who will be footing the bill for wasting the court’s time?

    • http://www.focuszonedevelopment.com Homncruse

      The anonymous benefactor known as The Public.

  • http://www.focuszonedevelopment.com Homncruse

    Both companies are far too prideful to concede any of their points. Let’s face it – neither company is innocent here. They’re both guilty of different things, and they both deserve to receive punishment for even letting it get to this stage.

    The only way anything will be settled is with a no-rules, winner-take-all (including the opponent’s company) cage fight to the death between the two CEOs.

    • CactusCat

      I’ll take the old Kung Fu guy over the limp wristed Fruit boy.

  • vforvortex

    How do you have a serious conversation with the ceo of a company who thinks you stole its rectangle idea?

    • aranea

      When it’s about big money there are no foes or friends just negotiations. That was the short answer. The longer version is: CEO’s responsibility is to make money for all the share holders. In a situation like that personal feuds have nor role at all. it’s all about maximizing profits. Think about it Samsung could have refused to supply Apple with all the hardware for i-devices and it would have been impossible for apple to produce as many if any products on time. Yet that would significantly cut Samsung’s profits. So between companies no sanctions like between companies or no feelings like between humans. It’s just money.

    • http://htcsource.com Nick Gray

      There’s a lot more to it than just design. Samsung need to pay up for copying the look and feel of the iphone with the Galaxy S and S II. Samsung has a solid claim with its 3G patents which are required for all 3G devices.

  • Kevin

    Apple: We want you to stop producing Apple-design-like phones.
    Samsung: No.

    Trial Wins in favor of no body because both phones have their differences.

    But seriously, Apple copies Android as much as Android copies Apple.
    Ex: Notification Bar came with Android then with Apple.
    Ex2: Siri developed for iOS. Google Now developed for Android.

    I rest my case.

    • userx

      dragon dictate for windows > copied by anything and everything possible that allows you to talk..

      OH WHATUP NOW , MAC USERS, ANDROID USERS, PWN’D BY A WINDOWS APP!!

      suckadick,fanboys. suck a fat one.

  • pjax

    I am an android fan so I’m totally unbiased when I say this.

    Android, Samsung, has copied a lot restricted stuff from Apple

    I remember holding a “TouchWiz” phone for the very first time and started to think “hmm, this looks a little too much like apple” From the one button home with hiding softkeys to the home screen.

    Granted, Samsung has been trying (too hard) to differentiate itself from Apple with all the flak it’s getting. But the fact still remains. Samsung has definitely stuff from Apple even though they’re not supposed to

  • Richard Yarrell

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    • squiddy20

      I’m curious what this “lesson” is that Samsung has supposedly taught Apple? Samsung hasn’t won any really significant battles since this stuff started. I love Android, but you’re a blind fool if you honestly believe the iPhone will get banned because a few *standards-essential* patents are under dispute.
      Also, again with the “shitted on” phrase? Boy, you must really have a scat fetish.

      • Richard Yarrell

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        • snowbdr89

          haha net cowards dick im pretty sure you get scared by your own shadow!!

        • squiddy20

          Wow! Congratulations! You know how to copy and paste, as I see the same basic response 3 times over! Moron. Try being more original next time.
          And while you’re at it, if you tried being wrong less often, you wouldn’t have people calling you out constantly for being so stupid. Imagine that. As I’ve always said to you, you have only yourself to blame.

    • Sargon

      Your interests would be far better served on a fetish page such as scat/urination rather than an Android site. Nowhere in this blog or any other article I’ve read did it say anything about the iPhone5 being banned, or Apple being “shit on”. I am a fan of Android (obviously), but I’m not a blind, retarded, fanboy either. You *do* realize that Apple Inc. is the most valuable company in history (if you don’t adjust Microsoft’s 1999 market valuation for inflation)? A “useless” or “worthless” or “shitty” company, even if they “smell like elephant” (your words) doesn’t get a market valuation of well over $600,000,000,000 because they “suck”. I doubt the iPhone is going to be banned. If you actually had the capability to read and understand what is going on, rather than screaming nonsense about your latest imaginary acquisituion on blogsites, you would understand the content of the article and the legal situation.
      I really don’t expect an answer to this, but everything else aside, and I ask this honestly, why do you bother spamming every Android site you can? I’ve seen you doing this since June 2010. You’ve been banned from several sites, are almost universally hated, and constantly ridiculed. Is what Steam said about you, your parents, and the basement true? You never actually listen to anyone or anything, you knowingly post nonsense that even you know is wrong, and you do this knowing that you will get flamed, downvoted off the thread, banned, or all of the above. In over 30 years of using the internet (yes, it existed before the world wide web), I have never, EVER seen anyone who loved to be ridiculed and hated so much. Why do you do it? Is it a weird hobby? Are you really that desperate for attention? Are you trying to guarantee that you’ll never work anywhere else again? Seriously, Richard, and again, I ask this honestly: why?

      • Steam

        He does it because he is, scientifically speaking, seriously fucked up in the head. Look at his posts over time. He was calling Samsung and T-Mobile “Samsuck” and “Tween-Mobile” just a few months ago. He has absolutely no idea what the hell he is saying at any given moment. You’d have better luck asking a fish why it swims. You actually have a much better chance of getting an intelligent answer from the fish.

      • Richard Yarrell

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    • snowbdr89

      @ dick instead of being useless to society
      why not do society a favor and jump infront of a moving train or maybe jump of the tallest building to see if you can fly!!

      • Richard Yarrell

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        • snowbdr89

          dick is there a reason you are talking about mens balls?

        • squiddy20

          “Grow some balls and be a man for a change” According to you, being a “man” entails having the balls to tell people to “fuck off”, which we’ve all basically said multiple times to you. What a moron.
          “Bunch of bitch as cowards hiding behind phoney names like bitch asses.” As I’ve said multiple times to this ridiculous response of yours, it’s called being Internet smart. I sure as hell don’t want the *entire* Internet to know where I live, unlike your sorry ass. Come back when you have real insults.

    • Richard Yarrell

      All day all I think about is shit and android phones. Some guy came to the Bowery mission where I work and he had an evo and he let me play with it since I BEGGED him to piss and shit on my face after ramming me for an hour while he kept punching me in the kidneys we HAVE A BASEMENT. Ever since I knew that I had to have a smartphone because they make me look important and make me feel like I’m SOMEBODY WHO IS RICH AND IMPOTENT. I meet him at BATTERY PARK twice a week and then we go to the basement in the Bowery where he rams me and SHITS on me in the basement just like papa used to do. I like THE PARK because sometimes there are ducks and if I’m lucky I can catch one and have sex with it. Ducks rule the PARK. I know how IMPORTANT IT IS TO HAVE AN ANDROID DEVICE because people will think I’m a important diplomat. I put my EVO on vibrate and sholve it UP MY ass. I can feel the power inside me and I run thru the hood screaming android RULES THE UNIVERSE because everyone has TO KNOW. I miss papa he REALLY KNEW how to donkey punch. He would PIMP SLAP ME with his penis and tell me how useless I am. BOY WAS HE RIGHT I used to work at the WTC COMPLEX and had a friend who would shit on my face for FREE. He was great but I lost that job because the boss found out I was trying to shit on wax paper in THE ELEVATOR. RECYCLING IS important! That was MY LUNCH but they didn’t get it. They didn’t GET IT the way my granddaddddy ruler of ANDROID my EVO4G does. Wimax wasn’t 4G, but it sure was when SPRINT SAID IT WAS BECAUSE DAN HESSE RULES ANDROID HE HAS A DICTIONARY. There will NEVER BE a BETTER phone. I like to pretend that I have a Samsuck Universe 3 but I work in a homeless shelter so nobody knows. I found a picture of one and taped it to my EVO. So know its a 7G phone. I know this EVO makes me KOOL AND IMPOTENT because everyone on the internet always tell me how AWESOME I AM AND WISH THEY COULD BE just like me. Who doesn’t WANT TO BE a 47 yr old black guy who is almost FIVE FOOT SEVEN and can go for years without a shower and post pictures of theyselfs in a donated suit. I KNOW MY EVO is tops because I can see where it used to say tracphone but DAN HESSE made it an EVO because you can see where he wrote EVO over tracphone with a sharpie. There is nothing he can’t do. I begged him to piss and shit on me but I guess that wasn’t kool wit him because these huge security guards took me away from him. Man they must have been like 5’9! I have TO GO NOW I have to go to the bathroom and make my lunch and fill my bottle. Thats how kool people like me roll. Yall wish you was kool.

  • userx

    Hey d00d! you suck dick?!

    response: Hell yeah i love apple products!

  • Mike

    Iphones are for little girls and low IQ morons who are ignorant.

  • Condoleeza Rice, black but beautiful

    Lets go Apple! Show the asian scum who is no1 in the world USA USA

    • Mr Rumsfeld (american hero)

      americans>>>>>>>koreans. We could nuke em any day or steal their rice lol

  • sharon1234
  • thechad

    silly apple

  1. 1) No way they’ll come to an agreement (hope I’m wrong).
    2) I think it will be a mixed victory for Apple because the jury will pick favorites and unfortunately, Apple will win that battle.
    Unrequested 3) I hope that the jury decides to nullify all disputed patents and the judge comes sums up the trial with, “Okay bitches, who’s next??”

  2. At this point I hope they don’t come to terms. I’ve had to suffer enough during this case and need an actual outcome, hoping Samsung will prevail but doubt it.

  3. I think they will, but it’ll be a sour taste.

  4. TheTruthSquadGuest 3 years ago

    Neither side will all that they want and it will difficult for all nine jurors to agree on anything. A hung jury on all points would be perfect. They could do it all again.

  5. Terrormuslim Mo-Akhbar FarahGuest 3 years ago

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  6. RedGuest 3 years ago

    …Yeah, I really hope that Samsung wins..

  7. I see this going two ways. Apple will win a handful of trade dress claims, but the scrolling and zoom patents will be ruled as invalid. Samsung will also win on their 3G patents, forcing Apple to license them (like every other company on the planet already does). In the end it’ll be a tie for both companies, but OEMs will think long and hard before putting out a device which looks like an iPhone.

  8. hopefully they can come to terms, but like many have said, both sides have invested too much to just say “ok, let’s make peace.”

    Cook and Kwon are the two best candidates for this discussion. I remember reading somewhere that Kwon was in charge of the chips that supply the iphone/ipads/etc. before being the CEO, and probably worked a lot with Cook (COO, dealt w/ supply chains) before Jobs left. So maybe a miracle will happen and they will settle.

    I don’t think anything good can come out of a verdict for the consumers. Whichever side loses will try to fight back b/c there is just too much money on the table. If it drags on, then the legal side of things will prevent further innovation b/c anything new that is produced can become evidence in trial in the future.

  9. Come on, we all know that there isn’t an iPhone’s chance of surviving a 3 foot drop that an agreement will be reached!

  10. I bet they’ll come to an agreement. Neither of them can afford a loss despite the fact that winning means a lot losing is much worse. If Samsung wins it’ll be open field for any other company against apple. If apple wins samsung will have to pull a lot of devices back and probably scratch designs for upcoming phones and tablets.

    Besides these compaines are connected from the belly to each other despite samsung sells a lot of android phones they still make tons of money by supplying hardware for apple devices. And apple needs samsung to keep supplying hardware to make its devices.

    Of course the terms of the agreement will be top secret and neither of them will admit defeat or claim victory.

    On the other hand, my wish is for it to conclude with a victory for Samsung because that will actually be a win for any other company against apple and they can start designing devices freely.

  11. If an agreement is reached (doubtful); who will be footing the bill for wasting the court’s time?

  12. Both companies are far too prideful to concede any of their points. Let’s face it – neither company is innocent here. They’re both guilty of different things, and they both deserve to receive punishment for even letting it get to this stage.

    The only way anything will be settled is with a no-rules, winner-take-all (including the opponent’s company) cage fight to the death between the two CEOs.

  13. How do you have a serious conversation with the ceo of a company who thinks you stole its rectangle idea?

    • When it’s about big money there are no foes or friends just negotiations. That was the short answer. The longer version is: CEO’s responsibility is to make money for all the share holders. In a situation like that personal feuds have nor role at all. it’s all about maximizing profits. Think about it Samsung could have refused to supply Apple with all the hardware for i-devices and it would have been impossible for apple to produce as many if any products on time. Yet that would significantly cut Samsung’s profits. So between companies no sanctions like between companies or no feelings like between humans. It’s just money.

    • There’s a lot more to it than just design. Samsung need to pay up for copying the look and feel of the iphone with the Galaxy S and S II. Samsung has a solid claim with its 3G patents which are required for all 3G devices.

  14. Apple: We want you to stop producing Apple-design-like phones.
    Samsung: No.

    Trial Wins in favor of no body because both phones have their differences.

    But seriously, Apple copies Android as much as Android copies Apple.
    Ex: Notification Bar came with Android then with Apple.
    Ex2: Siri developed for iOS. Google Now developed for Android.

    I rest my case.

    • userxGuest 3 years ago

      dragon dictate for windows > copied by anything and everything possible that allows you to talk..

      OH WHATUP NOW , MAC USERS, ANDROID USERS, PWN’D BY A WINDOWS APP!!

      suckadick,fanboys. suck a fat one.

  15. I am an android fan so I’m totally unbiased when I say this.

    Android, Samsung, has copied a lot restricted stuff from Apple

    I remember holding a “TouchWiz” phone for the very first time and started to think “hmm, this looks a little too much like apple” From the one button home with hiding softkeys to the home screen.

    Granted, Samsung has been trying (too hard) to differentiate itself from Apple with all the flak it’s getting. But the fact still remains. Samsung has definitely stuff from Apple even though they’re not supposed to

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    • squiddy20Guest 3 years ago

      I’m curious what this “lesson” is that Samsung has supposedly taught Apple? Samsung hasn’t won any really significant battles since this stuff started. I love Android, but you’re a blind fool if you honestly believe the iPhone will get banned because a few *standards-essential* patents are under dispute.
      Also, again with the “shitted on” phrase? Boy, you must really have a scat fetish.

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        • snowbdr89Guest 3 years ago

          haha net cowards dick im pretty sure you get scared by your own shadow!!

        • squiddy20Guest 3 years ago

          Wow! Congratulations! You know how to copy and paste, as I see the same basic response 3 times over! Moron. Try being more original next time.
          And while you’re at it, if you tried being wrong less often, you wouldn’t have people calling you out constantly for being so stupid. Imagine that. As I’ve always said to you, you have only yourself to blame.

    • SargonGuest 3 years ago

      Your interests would be far better served on a fetish page such as scat/urination rather than an Android site. Nowhere in this blog or any other article I’ve read did it say anything about the iPhone5 being banned, or Apple being “shit on”. I am a fan of Android (obviously), but I’m not a blind, retarded, fanboy either. You *do* realize that Apple Inc. is the most valuable company in history (if you don’t adjust Microsoft’s 1999 market valuation for inflation)? A “useless” or “worthless” or “shitty” company, even if they “smell like elephant” (your words) doesn’t get a market valuation of well over $600,000,000,000 because they “suck”. I doubt the iPhone is going to be banned. If you actually had the capability to read and understand what is going on, rather than screaming nonsense about your latest imaginary acquisituion on blogsites, you would understand the content of the article and the legal situation.
      I really don’t expect an answer to this, but everything else aside, and I ask this honestly, why do you bother spamming every Android site you can? I’ve seen you doing this since June 2010. You’ve been banned from several sites, are almost universally hated, and constantly ridiculed. Is what Steam said about you, your parents, and the basement true? You never actually listen to anyone or anything, you knowingly post nonsense that even you know is wrong, and you do this knowing that you will get flamed, downvoted off the thread, banned, or all of the above. In over 30 years of using the internet (yes, it existed before the world wide web), I have never, EVER seen anyone who loved to be ridiculed and hated so much. Why do you do it? Is it a weird hobby? Are you really that desperate for attention? Are you trying to guarantee that you’ll never work anywhere else again? Seriously, Richard, and again, I ask this honestly: why?

      • SteamGuest 3 years ago

        He does it because he is, scientifically speaking, seriously fucked up in the head. Look at his posts over time. He was calling Samsung and T-Mobile “Samsuck” and “Tween-Mobile” just a few months ago. He has absolutely no idea what the hell he is saying at any given moment. You’d have better luck asking a fish why it swims. You actually have a much better chance of getting an intelligent answer from the fish.

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    • snowbdr89Guest 3 years ago

      @ dick instead of being useless to society
      why not do society a favor and jump infront of a moving train or maybe jump of the tallest building to see if you can fly!!

      • Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

        • snowbdr89Guest 3 years ago

          dick is there a reason you are talking about mens balls?

        • squiddy20Guest 3 years ago

          “Grow some balls and be a man for a change” According to you, being a “man” entails having the balls to tell people to “fuck off”, which we’ve all basically said multiple times to you. What a moron.
          “Bunch of bitch as cowards hiding behind phoney names like bitch asses.” As I’ve said multiple times to this ridiculous response of yours, it’s called being Internet smart. I sure as hell don’t want the *entire* Internet to know where I live, unlike your sorry ass. Come back when you have real insults.

    • Richard YarrellGuest 3 years ago

      All day all I think about is shit and android phones. Some guy came to the Bowery mission where I work and he had an evo and he let me play with it since I BEGGED him to piss and shit on my face after ramming me for an hour while he kept punching me in the kidneys we HAVE A BASEMENT. Ever since I knew that I had to have a smartphone because they make me look important and make me feel like I’m SOMEBODY WHO IS RICH AND IMPOTENT. I meet him at BATTERY PARK twice a week and then we go to the basement in the Bowery where he rams me and SHITS on me in the basement just like papa used to do. I like THE PARK because sometimes there are ducks and if I’m lucky I can catch one and have sex with it. Ducks rule the PARK. I know how IMPORTANT IT IS TO HAVE AN ANDROID DEVICE because people will think I’m a important diplomat. I put my EVO on vibrate and sholve it UP MY ass. I can feel the power inside me and I run thru the hood screaming android RULES THE UNIVERSE because everyone has TO KNOW. I miss papa he REALLY KNEW how to donkey punch. He would PIMP SLAP ME with his penis and tell me how useless I am. BOY WAS HE RIGHT I used to work at the WTC COMPLEX and had a friend who would shit on my face for FREE. He was great but I lost that job because the boss found out I was trying to shit on wax paper in THE ELEVATOR. RECYCLING IS important! That was MY LUNCH but they didn’t get it. They didn’t GET IT the way my granddaddddy ruler of ANDROID my EVO4G does. Wimax wasn’t 4G, but it sure was when SPRINT SAID IT WAS BECAUSE DAN HESSE RULES ANDROID HE HAS A DICTIONARY. There will NEVER BE a BETTER phone. I like to pretend that I have a Samsuck Universe 3 but I work in a homeless shelter so nobody knows. I found a picture of one and taped it to my EVO. So know its a 7G phone. I know this EVO makes me KOOL AND IMPOTENT because everyone on the internet always tell me how AWESOME I AM AND WISH THEY COULD BE just like me. Who doesn’t WANT TO BE a 47 yr old black guy who is almost FIVE FOOT SEVEN and can go for years without a shower and post pictures of theyselfs in a donated suit. I KNOW MY EVO is tops because I can see where it used to say tracphone but DAN HESSE made it an EVO because you can see where he wrote EVO over tracphone with a sharpie. There is nothing he can’t do. I begged him to piss and shit on me but I guess that wasn’t kool wit him because these huge security guards took me away from him. Man they must have been like 5’9! I have TO GO NOW I have to go to the bathroom and make my lunch and fill my bottle. Thats how kool people like me roll. Yall wish you was kool.

  17. userxGuest 3 years ago

    Hey d00d! you suck dick?!

    response: Hell yeah i love apple products!

  18. MikeGuest 3 years ago

    Iphones are for little girls and low IQ morons who are ignorant.

  19. Condoleeza Rice, black but beautifulGuest 3 years ago

    Lets go Apple! Show the asian scum who is no1 in the world USA USA