Aug 24 AT 8:11 PM Nick Gray 128 Comments

The final verdict: Samsung to pay $1.05 billion for infringing on Apple patents and trade dress

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The verdict is in. The jury in the Apple versus Samsung case has found that an overwhelming number of Samsung phones infringed Apple’s patents and trade dress claims. While not all of Samsung’s phones were found to infringe on Apple’s intellectual property and design, the jury did grant Apple $1,051,885,000 in damages – a far cry from the original $2.5 billion Apple was hoping to get, but certainly a lot more than any of us expected.

Naturally, Apple is ecstatic about its victory, claiming that the jury’s final verdict send a message to Samsung and other that “stealing isn’t right.”

We are grateful to the jury for their service and for investing the time to listen to our story and we were thrilled to be able to finally tell it. The mountain of evidence presented during the trail showed that Samsung's copying went far deeper than even we knew ... We applaud the court for finding Samsung's behavior willful and for sending a loud and clear message that stealing isn't right.Apple

In Samsung’s case against Apple, the jury found that all of its utility patents were valid, but they did not see any evidence of Apple actually infringing upon them. Samsung even took a hit with the ’516 and ’941 patents which the jury summed up “patent exhaustion” since Intel had already licensed the patents from Samsung in order to produce the chips. The only victory that Samsung got was with its tablet devices. The jury found that Samsung’s tablet designs were unique and did not infringe on any of Apple’s trade dress claims.

While the jury may have gotten through the deliberations at least a week sooner than most expected, we’re sure this isn’t the last we’ll be hearing about this case. We expect Samsung will file its first of many appeals on the verdict sometime next week and Apple might do the same if they feel the jury missed the boat on the tablet trade dress claims.

Samsung’s response to the outcome was a bit ominous, claiming that Apple’s victory is a loss for consumers which will be presented with fewer competitive products in the marketplace which may lead to higher prices.

Today’s verdict should not be viewed as a win for Apple, but as a loss for the American consumer. It will lead to fewer choices, less innovation, and potentially higher prices. It is unfortunate that patent law can be manipulated to give one company a monopoly over rectangles with rounded corners, or technology that is being improved every day by Samsung and other companies ... This is not the final word in this case or in battles being waged in courts and tribunals around the world, some of which have already rejected many of Apple’s claimsSamsung

So what does all this mean for Android? Not much at all. We might see tap to zoom get re-engineered or completely removed and the bounce back feature was removed quite a while ago. We’re sure Apple will be using these patents against other Android OEMs in the coming months unless they can work out a deal outside the courtroom.

What are your thought on the final outcome of the Apple versus Samsung case? Do you think Apple has gained the upper hand against Android or will this spur more innovation within Google’s mobile OS?

Source: The Verge

Nick is a tech enthusiast who has a soft spot for HTC and its devices. He started HTCsource.com (the first HTC blog) back in 2007 and later joined the Android and Me family in the summer of 2010.

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  • apo

    I honestly don’t give a **** and this won’t get me to buy an Apple product.
    Next Nexus I’m waiting

    • Hom0ncruse

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      • Bryan Stoner

        Oh boy you’re right! This will definitely put their ENTIRE company. I mean to think that one branch of their 80 total branches could literally cause the entire company as a whole to crumble is absolutely insane! I guess that’s all the money they have left of their 18.3 billion$ income for 2011. They should just quit while they are ahead!

        They are doing a fine job at producing electronics. They are constantly pushing the boundaries with their mobile processors, providing high end components to many device manufacturers, and releasing bleeding edge technology every step of the way. I mean look at their TVs!!! PURE AWESOME!!! XDD

        In no way will they be going anywhere, at all.

      • http://www.focuszonedevelopment.com Homncruse

        I see what you did there. Now you’re using my name with an extra character because I called you out in another thread.

        Everyone, please note the above poster is a Level 1 Internet Troll. This troll doesn’t even read the articles. S/He just looks at the headlines and posts “final nail in the coffin for {thing}”. I called him/her out on it, and now they’re attempting to use my name.

        I think you’re all smarter than that.

      • Richard Yarrell

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        • john stewart

          apple wanged 2 billion. Id say this is significant

          • PacoBell

            I thought the judgement was just over 1B, certainly not close to 2B?

        • redraider133

          Sadly apple is going to go right after the sgs3 and anything else samsung makes unless they change it . Apple wanted to include the sgs3 but the judge wouldnt allow it in this lawsuit. Samsung needs to change either go stock or design a different UI or apple will continue to take them to court. That is just how apple is.

          • zerosix

            And Apple will continue to invent new features. I’m waiting for iStay, a rumored feature that will keep the screen on while you look at it.
            Samsung will certainly steal it.
            Oh, wait…

        • Sargon

          Does anyone have an Idiot-English dictionary? I’ve worked as a cryptoanalyst in the past and the first sentence alone almost gave me a headache.
          Richard, shhhhhh…the grownups are talking. Why don’t you be a good little deranged idiot and purchase a damn dictionary?

        • AceoStar

          Great reply :)

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      • ihatefanboys

        Yes , just like when the Iphone5 comes out and its the same as the iphone 4s but a little thinner, but the same old software theyve been selling since 2007. Lots of Apple enthusiasts might be so unenthusiastic about plunking down another $400 theyll all go to Android, or Windows Phone in protest. Then that might be the “final nail in the coffin” for Apple. STFU !

    • Tim Cook

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      • Spideralex90

        Nice try there Tim Crook. Apples patents are ridiculous.

      • Sims

        Why are you people even here…. this is android and me, not icrap and me

    • Raptor

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    • Sean LeRoy

      #YESSIR

    • Mike Gill

      I feel the same way, the iphone 5 same boring locked down iOS, just abit thinner with dual core cpu, just over clocked.

  • RX-78-7

    Can anyone tell me which sammy phones were affected by this trial?

    • http://ArtisticAbode.com BetterWithRoot

      From theverge:

      $57 million for the Samsung Prevail $44,792,974 for the Infuse 4G $53,123,612 for the Mesmerize $3,350,256 for the Replenish $954,060 for the Transform

  • http://ArtisticAbode.com BetterWithRoot

    …Holy fuck…

    • http://www.focuszonedevelopment.com Homncruse

      Silly BetterWithRoot, that’s not how you eat an apple. That’s how you make Jesuses.

      • http://ArtisticAbode.com BetterWithRoot

        That’s what happens when I get some news when I’ve been drinking a little bit. My logic isn’t the most sound.

  • aranea

    I think this is another obvious display of how broken the US patent system is.

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      • http://www.focuszonedevelopment.com Homncruse

        A point which was entirely defeated by today’s verdict.

        • Tonybaby

          You can say that again – those patents should never have been granted – Apple getting ripped off? – the ideas are standard design practice would have been already thought of and routinely implemented without American dollars buying them all up – hardly in advance. The system should be put on trial, or else this will kill consumer technology.

      • WlfHart

        The very fact that Apple hasn’t been laughed out of the court room and has been allowed and even encouraged to Troll every competitor they have is far from keeping companies in check.

    • aranea

      The editorials on engadget about the trial are pretty good. They also point out problems with the patent system and thing that patent office shouldn’t have granted a patent in the first place.

      http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/25/editorial-engadget-on-the-apple-vs-samsung-ruling/

    • Jimmy_Jo

      That’s exactly what I said. But Steve Dent from Engadget brought up some awesome points:

      http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/25/editorial-engadget-on-the-apple-vs-samsung-ruling/

      “Useful, new and non-obvious — that’s what a patentable invention has to be, according to the USPTO. But that office started brushing aside its own criteria around the internet’s early days, and brought the system to its current, twisted state — with the Apple v. Samsung decision being exhibit ‘A’….The first time I saw an absurd technology patent was in the early ’90s. It was awarded, in part, for the electronic process of “storyboarding” still images, or arranging them in the same sequence they’d appear in a film or video. “That can’t possibly be patentable,” I thought. “Where’s the novel process? How is that non-obvious?”….It seems that every half-baked idea that pops into a designer’s head is thrown into the patent bin, and a big chunk of those are actually approved. Not only does that stifle budding inventors and companies, it makes a mockery of what an invention actually is.”

      As I’ve said on other forums and in personal conversation, the saddest part is that the jury could have used this as an opportunity to correct some of the problems with the US Patent system but instead they took the lazy route, and possibly also the vindictive business man’s route…. Notice how the foreman is noted to be a patent holder???

  • Nate B.

    This won’t hurt Samsung. They will bounce back in continue to innovate, and probably innovate beyond competition now. 2013 will be a Samsung year with no competition. Apple will fall on it’s own and the world will see. It’s frustrating to read but Sammy will just fine. Watch. 2013 is the year.

  • Hinds2009

    It’s looking like the American consumer will be paying the price for crapple victory! Literally. Samsung wasn’t the only one screwed today!

  • spazby

    This is as bad as it could get for Sammy…

  • John

    Seriously, if you love tech, it’s time to #boycottapple.

  • Bryan Stoner

    OH THE IRONY!! IIT BUUUUURRRRRRNNNNNSSSSSSSS!! EFF YOU APPLE SOOO BAD!!

    other note: I think products will actually get better. There just HAS to be a better way of doing certain things than what we have now. Double tap to zoom? Why do you even have to touch it? Just a simple thought like that could provoke an amazing innovation. Although if companies become concerned over Apple’s legal s**tstorm then I could see how a company could lose precious time managing a work around for some dumb patent in place.

    • kwills88

      they need to implement slide to zoom, press and hold an empty space on the screen, slide your finger up to zoom, slide your finger down to zoom out, that would mean you can easily zoom in and out with just one hand inside of pinching and zooming.

      • Bryan Stoner

        Love the idea. There is a but.
        But that is called moving the page vertically.

        It just feels natural to want to double tap or invert pinch to zoom. Doesn’t it?

        Most people squint if they have trouble reading something. Android face unlock has been an amazing demonstration of face recognition technology. Why not incorporate the natural squinting motion as a user control?

        Just putting it out there.

        • kwills88

          check out the Mango manga app, it has the function i mentioned, it works great

          • Bryan Stoner

            i didn’t see the “hold” part. hehehe sorry bout that. awesome idea.
            i’ll check it out! Maybe the disaster they call the 2nd half of Bunny Drop too.

        • http://www.focuszonedevelopment.com Homncruse

          I dunno, I don’t think I’d want to control my phone with facial expressions. As if people didn’t look crazy enough with Bluetooth headsets, now you want them making funny faces at their phone? First it’s squint to zoom, the next thing you know, it’s flick your tongue like a snake to open the application switcher…

        • Eli Gaffke

          The Galaxy S3 has gestures for zooming and panning. But you still need two fingers on the screen, but when you tilt forward or back it zooms in and out.

      • Carlos icee0711

        How about if the edges of the phone were gesture enabled. I think that would be neat. Imagine performing actions just on how you hold the phone.

        • http://www.focuszonedevelopment.com Homncruse

          A multi-faced touch-sensitive device (i.e., one which registers touch events on more than just the screen)? THAT’S brilliant.

        • PacoBell

          I’d imagine that would generate a lot of false inputs just by grasping the phone “the wrong way”. How would you reject those kind of interactions?

          • http://www.focuszonedevelopment.com Homncruse

            Use sensors to interpret context (i.e., which way is up, do the touches on the reverse surface correspond with a “grip” rather than an intentional gesture, etc.)

            It could work. The algorithms would be a little complex, but it’s just math. Lots of probably difficult math, sure, but nothing inconceivable.

        • http://daniel.friesen.name dantman

          I believe Apple is already trying to patent that.

      • AIM2002

        My old Samsung Omnia with windows 6.5 had that….

  • DroidRocka

    Apple Apple, why do you hate competition, innovation is what helps improve what we have today. It could be when they tried to be creative with the iphone it backfired and told their cult followers to hold a cell phone a certain way to receive a decent connection, suing was plan B

    • damuslim

      Apple is like the U.S. military, managing protectionism.
      Instead of purchasing a much better Airbus tanker aircraft fleet, they had to buy Boeing, although it was a much worse deal.

      Whoever is free from sin to cast the first stone….

  • Dustin Earley

    Didn’t Samsung make something like $5-8 billion in profit in Q2 alone? The money has nothing to do with it. It’s all about what it means for the future of hardware and software developement, and honestly, I don’t see it mattering much. Jelly Bean looks and functions nothing like iOS. And all the latest flagships, the One X, Galaxy Nexus, SIII, look nothing like an iPhone.

    • redraider133

      Plus the only thing apple has left to sue about is the universal search which is easily fixed through an ota update. Just wait til google gets the pull down notification panel patent. Then they can really hit apple where it hurts and maybe then apple will back off a little.

  • Johnny P

    Who the f*** buys a Samsung phone or tablet thinking it’s an iPhone or iPad? No one. If Apple invented the steering wheel, we’d all be f*cked.

    • Johnny P

      Every car company would need to have a different way to steer their cars. The patents Apple sues for seem to be PRODUCT OPERATIONAL NORMS.

      • Bryan Stoner

        I would say at this point in time, yes they do patent the most optimal system behaviors. However technology is evolving so rapidly that it would make sense if there were relationships with the human senses that spanned beyond the standards of today.

        But seriously f*ck apple. The steering wheel analogy is close to perfect.

  • chris

    That’s a shame… to loose all that money for some of the most crappy phones that they made with in the last couple of years.

  • tagstar

    I wonder what kind of Jury they put together? A bunch of people deciding on $1B judgements from people that have never used a smartphone? Anybody from 1985 using Windows 3X would be familiar with icons. An icon is not a novel idea. IE 1.0 had a smooth scrollbar with icons. And somehow being on a phone makes it any different?

    • Ardrid

      It’s not that they used an icon; it’s that the design, color, and shape of those icons, as well as the arrangement of those icons, were substantially similar to the design choices picked by Apple. Can you honestly blame the jury for their finding? What’s the first damn thing you think of when you see TouchWiz? You think of iOS. It’s one of the reasons I can’t stand my Captivate; all it dose is remind me of my wife’s iPhone.

  • Ardrid

    Can’t say I’m surprised by the verdict. Everyone knew Samsung was shamelessly emulating iOS with TouchWiz. Every reviewer of past devices has made mention of that fact, so it doesn’t surprise me that 9 ordinary consumers came to that conclusion.

    The design patents are more problematic because it effectively means you can patent, what most of us would consider, an obvious design choice for this type of device.

    Oh well, maybe this will convince Samsung to do something more innovative with TouchWiz rather than follow behind Apple. One thing’s for sure: I won’t be buying a Samsung designed Nexus.

    • Orion78

      You don’t make any sense whatsoever. Nexus doesn’t have touchwiz. If that’s what you’re implying, you’re a complete idiot.

      • Ardrid

        Of course the Nexus doesn’t use TouchWiz; my comment never implied it did. I won’t be buying a Samsung designed Nexus, or any Samsung phone for that matter, because I don’t trust Samsung to do things right. It seems that every phone they create has problems: radio/GPS issues on the GS1, radio issues with the Nexus S, radio/GPS issues with the GNex. They had their chance with me.

        • ihatefanboys

          I applaud your bravery in this samsung loving room. I also agree with your comment. Samsung phones are bug ridden and glitchy, but good luck convincing the geeks in here. Once samsung made a nexus they were forgiven of all the mistakes theyve ever made, past, present , and future.

          Personally I tried samsung and it was as you say, glitchy, and bug ridden. Ill never leave HTC for my smartphone dollars. they know how to make good tech, Ive never had a problem with a whole line of HTC phones.

          But that being said, this isnt the room to defile Samsung, its a sad day for Android in general, and thats all I care about. Its also sad that whatever lawyer Samsung had decided halfway through a trial to enter evidence of Samsung creating touch screen phones that predate the iphone, only to have the judge say no….Korean lawyers must be dumber than American lawyers…..sheesh

  • justreboot

    I ate an apple today and after my first bite it resembled Apple’s logo. I should probably expect to be sued in the near future…

  • CTown

    So, they had to pay half the amount because the phones are infringing but not the tablets?

  • nick

    Samy may have lost this fight n some money..but the American people are the big losers here if u ask me..can u imagine..just using One Brand of Hp!! Wail the rest of the world is is enjoying batter hp..TV..more up to date inovation..wail u r stuck with..one brand!!..

    • uknowme

      Um, What?

    • otakonx

      Well, don’t worry because Apple has filed this with like 8 other countries.

      Personally, I’ll just continue to import the devices OR just get the next Nexus and enjoy the latest software updates directly from Google (or XDA ;P).

  • ward

    Now that Job’s is gone, When his Idea’s run out I believe apple will fall. All Apple has left is to make patent’s for things like breathing, and sue people for doing it.
    I hate Job’s but he was an innovator and pushed the industry’s bounds. I don’t think anyone can fill his shoe’s.
    Only time will tell.

    Can I patent breathing? I am sure nobody else has yet.

  • http://www.focuszonedevelopment.com Homncruse

    I’m sure the Ghost of Steve Jobs will be spiritually diving through the piles of Samsung money a la Scrooge McDuck.

    A sad day indeed for the tech world. Samsung wasn’t innocent, not by a long shot, but the precedents set today will forever change the face of innovation.

  • Eli Gaffke

    When they say that Samsung will have to remove features. I hope it doesn’t mean that when they update my GS3 to Jelly Bean I will lose things like zoom.

    At least this should mean that Apple will never be able to have Widgets on the home screen. Cuz widgets rule.

  • Lord Vader

    Apple is a cry baby lol

  • Ryan

    Unfortunately, most will miss the big picture, which is the consumer unfortunately having to pay for this. Unless of course you are purchasing Apple products. Apple won this battle, sure, I will give them that… but at the same time, they have taken a huge step in limiting competition which is bad for even the all powerful and mighty Apple. Moral of the story: Apple is a bunch of douche bag hipsters that can die in a fire. Slowly.

  • Abbas

    1 billion for Tap zoom and rounded rect seems too costly.. i’m just wondering how much Apple has to pay for copying Android Notification bar.

  • userx

    Dear Apple users, Please kill yourself and burn in hell with jobs himself.

    Not even bitter, I hope samsung does it again just to prove to apple they dont give a fuck, and that apple needs all the money they can get while their market share keeps getting SMALLER and smaller and ..

  • Rovex

    This only effects the US remember, Samsung will continue to make great products for the rest of us (the 95% that aren’t American) while you lot have to suffer iJunk.

  • Rovex

    Its nice that on the BBC the comments section for their article about this is overwhelmingly anti-apple. At least the British public understand what Apple is all about.

  • h0ruza

    At first I thought this was really bad news for everyone but I got to thinking that this will mean or should mean that next year’s Samsung line up will have to be world’s apart from anything they’ve done before.

    Their chips are second to none so and to be honest the elements that remind me of apple products are the bits I’ve never liked and I could live without.

    Roll on GS4!

  • Duncan Mackenzie

    Our Justice system in the UK is a little more evolved than yours but to be fair our country is far older, wiser and no where near as corrupt. Apple got laughed out of court over here because their arguments were quite simply laughable. I do feel sorry for you folks in the US but what did you expect? Your own government killed it’s own president and got away with it too, so this court case was small fry by comparison.

    • 4rd

      britain has more riots

      • Kevinthebox

        Educated citizens are less likely to be bossed around by their governments. Thus, riots.

    • h0ruza

      You kind of have a point but I doubt your pompous tone was needed.

      UK coverage has shown both phones side by side showing pinch to zoom, double tap to zoom and end of page bounce.

      This patent war is tiresome but Samsung could have made an effort to try a different approach or at least hide just a little where they take their inspiration from.
      Their phones are great but touch wiz isn’t part of what makes them great.

      Sometimes I think they calculated the risk and the price is a billion $ slap on the wrist compared to the profit and market position they have since the GSII.

  • jayant25

    Apple laugh how much ever u want cos competition is not over yet ! Plus ur messing around with ur freaking supplier !

    Google should help Samsung now wtf is it doing with those 17,000 patents (i guess) they got after acquiring Motorola Mobility !
    They shouldn’t forget that Samsung has one of the largest market share for Android.

    Cmon Google help them out !

  • DroidPower

    doubt this will decrease much of the android’s dominance in the market

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  • Nathan D.

    Well each produce has it own box which is clearly labelled either Samsung or apple so their no way you can screw that up. Second, who the hell cares about the patent apple was sueing for it not like it will make a big difference in today’s market. Also jelly bean works completely different from iOS and besides jelly bean work and function great if not better then iOS does (in my Opinion). If you are talking about ripping off people apple should be the last one to talk, just looking at the notification bar enough said.

    • Tim Cook

      We at apple invented the notification bar!
      And now flash is incompatible with android (HOW DARE THEY COPY US!)

      • eddie

        The notification bar and center was in android since early versions of android like froyo…. smh

  • MoSDeeb

    There will be many appeals filed by both sides and more years in the courtroom. Sadly this is far from over.

  • Darthvader

    Good and bad.
    Good that Samsung will spend time innovating.
    Bad that Samsung is known as the thief of Apple’s trade dress. From phones to stores. Lol.

  • JAMman

    I can’t wait to see what happens when Apple launches Apple TV. Wil it have a large screen with rounded corners and a black rim just like…uh…a Samsung HDTV? Will Apple be allowed to steal the look and feel of every other HDTV, or did they patent that too?

  • JhonnyQ

    “It is unfortunate that patent law can be manipulated to give one company a monopoly over rectangles with rounded corners”

    I think that pretty much sums up my thoughts on this one.

  • António Trindade

    Sincerely, this whole affair disgusts me. I cannot see how a “behavior” can be patented. I understand you patent designs, but not behaviors nor computer algorithms. It’s like having a pattern on 2+2=4. I cannot fathom how Apple has lost revenue due to similar designs. I have never seen anyone buying a Samsung phone because it looks very much like an iPhone or vice versa.

  • Melanie

    Thank you for protecting our american patents. Thank you.
    Samsung seems to be a very cheeky company. American laws will stop them.
    Thank you and may god bless america.

  • allan

    Apple will get hurt in the long run, because now Google ui can’t be the same as Apple, it has to be better.

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  • masterpfa

    This verdict is only the first stage, and having read only a few details from http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2012082510525390, with glaring errors in the jury’s decision process and NOT taking instructions or seeking guidance.

    On one hand they state that a particular Samsung Product did not infringe, but at the same time award $2M damages,

    I personally have no doubt an appeal against the jury’s decision will be successful, by Samsung. This is far from over

    Supreme court here we come

  • Ural

    To all that think Apple has gone to far. Boycott all of IOs purchases you can for Good.

    Apple is clearly in bed with MS. And its not worth wasting our money on either company r their products.

  • Dan Dean

    You wonder why the apple is the forbidden fruit! i wouldn’t use an Apple product if they gave me one. They just showed their hand that money is more important to them then the consumer. The consumer is the one being hurt by this.

  • Raptor

    Proven: thieves.

    And the only reason they refused to get cross-licensing agreement with Apple is ….

    You are right: backing of supercopycat Big G

  • Raptor

    This is just the start.

    “Even Google asked Samsung to change the design of its products to look less like Apple’s in the 2010 email .

    They didn’t listen.

    The jury’s finding that the infringement was intentional allows Koh to triple the damages when she considers Apple’s request to bar sales of some Samsung products next month.”

    Bloomberg
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-25/apple-s-1-billion-verdict-may-lead-to-samsung-sales-ban.html

  • LjNj_RC51

    When my co-worker bought his Samsung Galaxy a few years ago, I was shocked to see that they clearly copied Iphone. They deserve this verdict.

    Silly Samwrong!!!

  • eddie

    Well it looks like Apple’s 600 Billion+ profit just wasn’t enough. Greedy bastards. I never was a fan of Apple, and with this, I’m never even going to think of purchasing one of their products. Yet, Apple fan boys are just too snobby and ignorant to leave Apple. Apple products aren’t innovative, they’re fashion accessories that some morons (Apple fan boys) claim are innovative, and are ahead of the game, when in reality, they’re in last place. And they haven’t been catching up with other technology companies in a long time. If you still disagree, then you’re a idiot. Nuff said.

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  • Tony Kornheiser

    The new iPhone 5 is coming soon, it will maul these cheap korean scamphones anyway

  • Mix

    I can’t believe that Apple received this much cash for, mostly, squares and rounded edges.

    The patent system needs a huge overhaul when it comes down to stuff like this as I can bet that not a SINGLE person bought a Samsung phone thinking it was an iPhone.

  • www.phonewbie.com

    steve jobs said: “we have always been shameless about stealing”.

    http://www.redmondpie.com/so-apple-won-the-case-against-samsung-what-does-it-mean-to-you-the-consumer/

    Then proceeds to sue half the mobile world, smh.

  • Tangent

    This TED talk is very relevant to this, especially starting at about 4:45. http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/kirby_ferguson_embrace_the_remix.html

    Apple is not protecting their own innovations, they’re protecting their position as a large company that’s made massive amounts of money on somebody else’s innovation. If anyone else dares to also use that same not-invented-or-licensed-by Apple innovation, they’ll sue the hell out of them to make sure they protect their profits.

    The video specifically shows one of their blatant lies, this example is multi-touch.

    Steve Jobs at the iPhone introduction: “We’ve invented a new technology called multi-touch. You can do multi-finger gestures on it; and boy have we patented it.”

    ONE YEAR EARLIER AT A TED TALK BY JEFF HAN: “Multi-touch sensing isn’t anything – isn’t completely new, people like Bill Buxton have been playing around with it in the 80′s”

    Apple needs to be stopped before they manage to find a jury willing to back up a claim that they own the idea of making phone calls from a hand-held device. Considering that they apparently have managed to convince people that the rounded-rectangle is a patentable shape and that a 4×4 grid layout is unique enough to deserve patent protection it wouldn’t surprise me…

  • McLovin

    Here is a great intro as to why patents on software especially look and feel patents is a bad idea:

    http://frugaldad.com/patents/

  • Hot_Tall_Girl

    > The Final Verdict

    Why are there always so many errors on this site?

    This is by NO MEANS “Final”.

    Appeals will abound.

  • muj

    I don’t think samsung coppied apple. This is an injustice for samsung. Todays world there should be always a new innovation and competetor. Technolgy should be open for all to explore , not like apple to control the whole world.

    Samsung shouldn’t pay to apple. Apple is an american company , therefore justice came in favour of apple.

  • Esoth

    I’m not sure if this has been posted, but it’s an interesting read about the case. It sounds a little … odd. (http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/08/why-the-apple-vs-samsung-jury-verdict-may-not-hold-up/)

    Here are some quotes from the jurors that I took from that article:
    “After we debated that first patent – what was prior art – because we had a hard time believing there was no prior art, that there wasn’t something out there before Apple.
    “In fact we skipped that one,” Ilagan continued, “so we could go on faster. It was bogging us down.””

    So they just skipped one of the most vital parts of the case? Sure, why not.

    This next one my personal favourite, though:
    “it’s easy to just go down those different [Samsung] products because it was all the same. Like the trade dress, once you determine Samsung violated the trade dress, the flatscreen with the Bezel…then you go down the products to see if it had a bezel. But we took our time. We didn’t rush.”

    They looked for phones with bezels? That’s pretty much every phone ever.

  • AIM2002

    Google need to patent the widget. That’ll teach apple!

  • jswenson3

    hold on, i just heard Apple patented light being omitted from an object… Sun – get out your checkbooks or prepare for darkness!

    I get protecting your IP and innovation, but this is all getting completely rediculous!

  • Inamati

    I hope Apple doesn’t figure out that we have a grocery store in my country that sells BOTH apples and IPhones… I don’t think they have a billion anything…

  • Sad

    The court ruling is joke. Why does Samsung have to come out of pocket? Why not charge them a percentage of everthug they sell or sold with the “patents” they copied. As it is people are losing jobs because of downsizing. I hope this doesn’t cause a ripple effect in our economy.

  1. apoGuest 3 years ago

    I honestly don’t give a **** and this won’t get me to buy an Apple product.
    Next Nexus I’m waiting

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      • Oh boy you’re right! This will definitely put their ENTIRE company. I mean to think that one branch of their 80 total branches could literally cause the entire company as a whole to crumble is absolutely insane! I guess that’s all the money they have left of their 18.3 billion$ income for 2011. They should just quit while they are ahead!

        They are doing a fine job at producing electronics. They are constantly pushing the boundaries with their mobile processors, providing high end components to many device manufacturers, and releasing bleeding edge technology every step of the way. I mean look at their TVs!!! PURE AWESOME!!! XDD

        In no way will they be going anywhere, at all.

      • I see what you did there. Now you’re using my name with an extra character because I called you out in another thread.

        Everyone, please note the above poster is a Level 1 Internet Troll. This troll doesn’t even read the articles. S/He just looks at the headlines and posts “final nail in the coffin for {thing}”. I called him/her out on it, and now they’re attempting to use my name.

        I think you’re all smarter than that.

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        • john stewartGuest 3 years ago

          apple wanged 2 billion. Id say this is significant

        • Sadly apple is going to go right after the sgs3 and anything else samsung makes unless they change it . Apple wanted to include the sgs3 but the judge wouldnt allow it in this lawsuit. Samsung needs to change either go stock or design a different UI or apple will continue to take them to court. That is just how apple is.

          • And Apple will continue to invent new features. I’m waiting for iStay, a rumored feature that will keep the screen on while you look at it.
            Samsung will certainly steal it.
            Oh, wait…

        • SargonGuest 3 years ago

          Does anyone have an Idiot-English dictionary? I’ve worked as a cryptoanalyst in the past and the first sentence alone almost gave me a headache.
          Richard, shhhhhh…the grownups are talking. Why don’t you be a good little deranged idiot and purchase a damn dictionary?

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      • Yes , just like when the Iphone5 comes out and its the same as the iphone 4s but a little thinner, but the same old software theyve been selling since 2007. Lots of Apple enthusiasts might be so unenthusiastic about plunking down another $400 theyll all go to Android, or Windows Phone in protest. Then that might be the “final nail in the coffin” for Apple. STFU !

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    • Sean LeRoyGuest 3 years ago

      #YESSIR

    • Mike GillGuest 3 years ago

      I feel the same way, the iphone 5 same boring locked down iOS, just abit thinner with dual core cpu, just over clocked.

  2. Can anyone tell me which sammy phones were affected by this trial?

  3. I think this is another obvious display of how broken the US patent system is.

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      • A point which was entirely defeated by today’s verdict.

        • TonybabyGuest 3 years ago

          You can say that again – those patents should never have been granted – Apple getting ripped off? – the ideas are standard design practice would have been already thought of and routinely implemented without American dollars buying them all up – hardly in advance. The system should be put on trial, or else this will kill consumer technology.

      • The very fact that Apple hasn’t been laughed out of the court room and has been allowed and even encouraged to Troll every competitor they have is far from keeping companies in check.

    • The editorials on engadget about the trial are pretty good. They also point out problems with the patent system and thing that patent office shouldn’t have granted a patent in the first place.

      http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/25/editorial-engadget-on-the-apple-vs-samsung-ruling/

    • That’s exactly what I said. But Steve Dent from Engadget brought up some awesome points:

      http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/25/editorial-engadget-on-the-apple-vs-samsung-ruling/

      “Useful, new and non-obvious — that’s what a patentable invention has to be, according to the USPTO. But that office started brushing aside its own criteria around the internet’s early days, and brought the system to its current, twisted state — with the Apple v. Samsung decision being exhibit ‘A’….The first time I saw an absurd technology patent was in the early ’90s. It was awarded, in part, for the electronic process of “storyboarding” still images, or arranging them in the same sequence they’d appear in a film or video. “That can’t possibly be patentable,” I thought. “Where’s the novel process? How is that non-obvious?”….It seems that every half-baked idea that pops into a designer’s head is thrown into the patent bin, and a big chunk of those are actually approved. Not only does that stifle budding inventors and companies, it makes a mockery of what an invention actually is.”

      As I’ve said on other forums and in personal conversation, the saddest part is that the jury could have used this as an opportunity to correct some of the problems with the US Patent system but instead they took the lazy route, and possibly also the vindictive business man’s route…. Notice how the foreman is noted to be a patent holder???

  4. This won’t hurt Samsung. They will bounce back in continue to innovate, and probably innovate beyond competition now. 2013 will be a Samsung year with no competition. Apple will fall on it’s own and the world will see. It’s frustrating to read but Sammy will just fine. Watch. 2013 is the year.

  5. Hinds2009Guest 3 years ago

    It’s looking like the American consumer will be paying the price for crapple victory! Literally. Samsung wasn’t the only one screwed today!

  6. This is as bad as it could get for Sammy…

  7. JohnGuest 3 years ago

    Seriously, if you love tech, it’s time to #boycottapple.

  8. OH THE IRONY!! IIT BUUUUURRRRRRNNNNNSSSSSSSS!! EFF YOU APPLE SOOO BAD!!

    other note: I think products will actually get better. There just HAS to be a better way of doing certain things than what we have now. Double tap to zoom? Why do you even have to touch it? Just a simple thought like that could provoke an amazing innovation. Although if companies become concerned over Apple’s legal s**tstorm then I could see how a company could lose precious time managing a work around for some dumb patent in place.

    • they need to implement slide to zoom, press and hold an empty space on the screen, slide your finger up to zoom, slide your finger down to zoom out, that would mean you can easily zoom in and out with just one hand inside of pinching and zooming.

      • Love the idea. There is a but.
        But that is called moving the page vertically.

        It just feels natural to want to double tap or invert pinch to zoom. Doesn’t it?

        Most people squint if they have trouble reading something. Android face unlock has been an amazing demonstration of face recognition technology. Why not incorporate the natural squinting motion as a user control?

        Just putting it out there.

      • How about if the edges of the phone were gesture enabled. I think that would be neat. Imagine performing actions just on how you hold the phone.

        • A multi-faced touch-sensitive device (i.e., one which registers touch events on more than just the screen)? THAT’S brilliant.

        • PacoBellGuest 3 years ago

          I’d imagine that would generate a lot of false inputs just by grasping the phone “the wrong way”. How would you reject those kind of interactions?

          • Use sensors to interpret context (i.e., which way is up, do the touches on the reverse surface correspond with a “grip” rather than an intentional gesture, etc.)

            It could work. The algorithms would be a little complex, but it’s just math. Lots of probably difficult math, sure, but nothing inconceivable.

        • I believe Apple is already trying to patent that.

      • AIM2002Guest 3 years ago

        My old Samsung Omnia with windows 6.5 had that….

  9. DroidRockaGuest 3 years ago

    Apple Apple, why do you hate competition, innovation is what helps improve what we have today. It could be when they tried to be creative with the iphone it backfired and told their cult followers to hold a cell phone a certain way to receive a decent connection, suing was plan B

    • damuslimGuest 3 years ago

      Apple is like the U.S. military, managing protectionism.
      Instead of purchasing a much better Airbus tanker aircraft fleet, they had to buy Boeing, although it was a much worse deal.

      Whoever is free from sin to cast the first stone….

  10. Didn’t Samsung make something like $5-8 billion in profit in Q2 alone? The money has nothing to do with it. It’s all about what it means for the future of hardware and software developement, and honestly, I don’t see it mattering much. Jelly Bean looks and functions nothing like iOS. And all the latest flagships, the One X, Galaxy Nexus, SIII, look nothing like an iPhone.

    • Plus the only thing apple has left to sue about is the universal search which is easily fixed through an ota update. Just wait til google gets the pull down notification panel patent. Then they can really hit apple where it hurts and maybe then apple will back off a little.

  11. Johnny PGuest 3 years ago

    Who the f*** buys a Samsung phone or tablet thinking it’s an iPhone or iPad? No one. If Apple invented the steering wheel, we’d all be f*cked.

    • Johnny PGuest 3 years ago

      Every car company would need to have a different way to steer their cars. The patents Apple sues for seem to be PRODUCT OPERATIONAL NORMS.

      • I would say at this point in time, yes they do patent the most optimal system behaviors. However technology is evolving so rapidly that it would make sense if there were relationships with the human senses that spanned beyond the standards of today.

        But seriously f*ck apple. The steering wheel analogy is close to perfect.

  12. chrisGuest 3 years ago

    That’s a shame… to loose all that money for some of the most crappy phones that they made with in the last couple of years.

  13. tagstarGuest 3 years ago

    I wonder what kind of Jury they put together? A bunch of people deciding on $1B judgements from people that have never used a smartphone? Anybody from 1985 using Windows 3X would be familiar with icons. An icon is not a novel idea. IE 1.0 had a smooth scrollbar with icons. And somehow being on a phone makes it any different?

    • It’s not that they used an icon; it’s that the design, color, and shape of those icons, as well as the arrangement of those icons, were substantially similar to the design choices picked by Apple. Can you honestly blame the jury for their finding? What’s the first damn thing you think of when you see TouchWiz? You think of iOS. It’s one of the reasons I can’t stand my Captivate; all it dose is remind me of my wife’s iPhone.

  14. Can’t say I’m surprised by the verdict. Everyone knew Samsung was shamelessly emulating iOS with TouchWiz. Every reviewer of past devices has made mention of that fact, so it doesn’t surprise me that 9 ordinary consumers came to that conclusion.

    The design patents are more problematic because it effectively means you can patent, what most of us would consider, an obvious design choice for this type of device.

    Oh well, maybe this will convince Samsung to do something more innovative with TouchWiz rather than follow behind Apple. One thing’s for sure: I won’t be buying a Samsung designed Nexus.

    • You don’t make any sense whatsoever. Nexus doesn’t have touchwiz. If that’s what you’re implying, you’re a complete idiot.

      • Of course the Nexus doesn’t use TouchWiz; my comment never implied it did. I won’t be buying a Samsung designed Nexus, or any Samsung phone for that matter, because I don’t trust Samsung to do things right. It seems that every phone they create has problems: radio/GPS issues on the GS1, radio issues with the Nexus S, radio/GPS issues with the GNex. They had their chance with me.

        • I applaud your bravery in this samsung loving room. I also agree with your comment. Samsung phones are bug ridden and glitchy, but good luck convincing the geeks in here. Once samsung made a nexus they were forgiven of all the mistakes theyve ever made, past, present , and future.

          Personally I tried samsung and it was as you say, glitchy, and bug ridden. Ill never leave HTC for my smartphone dollars. they know how to make good tech, Ive never had a problem with a whole line of HTC phones.

          But that being said, this isnt the room to defile Samsung, its a sad day for Android in general, and thats all I care about. Its also sad that whatever lawyer Samsung had decided halfway through a trial to enter evidence of Samsung creating touch screen phones that predate the iphone, only to have the judge say no….Korean lawyers must be dumber than American lawyers…..sheesh

  15. I ate an apple today and after my first bite it resembled Apple’s logo. I should probably expect to be sued in the near future…

  16. So, they had to pay half the amount because the phones are infringing but not the tablets?

  17. nickGuest 3 years ago

    Samy may have lost this fight n some money..but the American people are the big losers here if u ask me..can u imagine..just using One Brand of Hp!! Wail the rest of the world is is enjoying batter hp..TV..more up to date inovation..wail u r stuck with..one brand!!..

  18. wardGuest 3 years ago

    Now that Job’s is gone, When his Idea’s run out I believe apple will fall. All Apple has left is to make patent’s for things like breathing, and sue people for doing it.
    I hate Job’s but he was an innovator and pushed the industry’s bounds. I don’t think anyone can fill his shoe’s.
    Only time will tell.

    Can I patent breathing? I am sure nobody else has yet.

  19. I’m sure the Ghost of Steve Jobs will be spiritually diving through the piles of Samsung money a la Scrooge McDuck.

    A sad day indeed for the tech world. Samsung wasn’t innocent, not by a long shot, but the precedents set today will forever change the face of innovation.

  20. When they say that Samsung will have to remove features. I hope it doesn’t mean that when they update my GS3 to Jelly Bean I will lose things like zoom.

    At least this should mean that Apple will never be able to have Widgets on the home screen. Cuz widgets rule.

  21. Lord VaderGuest 3 years ago

    Apple is a cry baby lol

  22. RyanGuest 3 years ago

    Unfortunately, most will miss the big picture, which is the consumer unfortunately having to pay for this. Unless of course you are purchasing Apple products. Apple won this battle, sure, I will give them that… but at the same time, they have taken a huge step in limiting competition which is bad for even the all powerful and mighty Apple. Moral of the story: Apple is a bunch of douche bag hipsters that can die in a fire. Slowly.

  23. AbbasGuest 3 years ago

    1 billion for Tap zoom and rounded rect seems too costly.. i’m just wondering how much Apple has to pay for copying Android Notification bar.

  24. userxGuest 3 years ago

    Dear Apple users, Please kill yourself and burn in hell with jobs himself.

    Not even bitter, I hope samsung does it again just to prove to apple they dont give a fuck, and that apple needs all the money they can get while their market share keeps getting SMALLER and smaller and ..

  25. RovexGuest 3 years ago

    This only effects the US remember, Samsung will continue to make great products for the rest of us (the 95% that aren’t American) while you lot have to suffer iJunk.

  26. RovexGuest 3 years ago

    Its nice that on the BBC the comments section for their article about this is overwhelmingly anti-apple. At least the British public understand what Apple is all about.

  27. At first I thought this was really bad news for everyone but I got to thinking that this will mean or should mean that next year’s Samsung line up will have to be world’s apart from anything they’ve done before.

    Their chips are second to none so and to be honest the elements that remind me of apple products are the bits I’ve never liked and I could live without.

    Roll on GS4!

  28. Our Justice system in the UK is a little more evolved than yours but to be fair our country is far older, wiser and no where near as corrupt. Apple got laughed out of court over here because their arguments were quite simply laughable. I do feel sorry for you folks in the US but what did you expect? Your own government killed it’s own president and got away with it too, so this court case was small fry by comparison.

    • 4rdGuest 3 years ago

      britain has more riots

    • You kind of have a point but I doubt your pompous tone was needed.

      UK coverage has shown both phones side by side showing pinch to zoom, double tap to zoom and end of page bounce.

      This patent war is tiresome but Samsung could have made an effort to try a different approach or at least hide just a little where they take their inspiration from.
      Their phones are great but touch wiz isn’t part of what makes them great.

      Sometimes I think they calculated the risk and the price is a billion $ slap on the wrist compared to the profit and market position they have since the GSII.

  29. Apple laugh how much ever u want cos competition is not over yet ! Plus ur messing around with ur freaking supplier !

    Google should help Samsung now wtf is it doing with those 17,000 patents (i guess) they got after acquiring Motorola Mobility !
    They shouldn’t forget that Samsung has one of the largest market share for Android.

    Cmon Google help them out !

  30. doubt this will decrease much of the android’s dominance in the market

  31. APPLE FAN (YOUR LORD & MASTER)Guest 3 years ago

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  32. Well each produce has it own box which is clearly labelled either Samsung or apple so their no way you can screw that up. Second, who the hell cares about the patent apple was sueing for it not like it will make a big difference in today’s market. Also jelly bean works completely different from iOS and besides jelly bean work and function great if not better then iOS does (in my Opinion). If you are talking about ripping off people apple should be the last one to talk, just looking at the notification bar enough said.

    • Tim CookGuest 3 years ago

      We at apple invented the notification bar!
      And now flash is incompatible with android (HOW DARE THEY COPY US!)

  33. There will be many appeals filed by both sides and more years in the courtroom. Sadly this is far from over.

  34. DarthvaderGuest 3 years ago

    Good and bad.
    Good that Samsung will spend time innovating.
    Bad that Samsung is known as the thief of Apple’s trade dress. From phones to stores. Lol.

  35. JAMmanGuest 3 years ago

    I can’t wait to see what happens when Apple launches Apple TV. Wil it have a large screen with rounded corners and a black rim just like…uh…a Samsung HDTV? Will Apple be allowed to steal the look and feel of every other HDTV, or did they patent that too?

  36. “It is unfortunate that patent law can be manipulated to give one company a monopoly over rectangles with rounded corners”

    I think that pretty much sums up my thoughts on this one.

  37. António TrindadeGuest 3 years ago

    Sincerely, this whole affair disgusts me. I cannot see how a “behavior” can be patented. I understand you patent designs, but not behaviors nor computer algorithms. It’s like having a pattern on 2+2=4. I cannot fathom how Apple has lost revenue due to similar designs. I have never seen anyone buying a Samsung phone because it looks very much like an iPhone or vice versa.

  38. MelanieGuest 3 years ago

    Thank you for protecting our american patents. Thank you.
    Samsung seems to be a very cheeky company. American laws will stop them.
    Thank you and may god bless america.

  39. allanGuest 3 years ago

    Apple will get hurt in the long run, because now Google ui can’t be the same as Apple, it has to be better.

  40. CactusCatGuest 3 years ago
  41. This verdict is only the first stage, and having read only a few details from http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2012082510525390, with glaring errors in the jury’s decision process and NOT taking instructions or seeking guidance.

    On one hand they state that a particular Samsung Product did not infringe, but at the same time award $2M damages,

    I personally have no doubt an appeal against the jury’s decision will be successful, by Samsung. This is far from over

    Supreme court here we come

  42. UralGuest 3 years ago

    To all that think Apple has gone to far. Boycott all of IOs purchases you can for Good.

    Apple is clearly in bed with MS. And its not worth wasting our money on either company r their products.

  43. Dan DeanGuest 3 years ago

    You wonder why the apple is the forbidden fruit! i wouldn’t use an Apple product if they gave me one. They just showed their hand that money is more important to them then the consumer. The consumer is the one being hurt by this.

  44. RaptorGuest 3 years ago

    Proven: thieves.

    And the only reason they refused to get cross-licensing agreement with Apple is ….

    You are right: backing of supercopycat Big G

  45. RaptorGuest 3 years ago

    This is just the start.

    “Even Google asked Samsung to change the design of its products to look less like Apple’s in the 2010 email .

    They didn’t listen.

    The jury’s finding that the infringement was intentional allows Koh to triple the damages when she considers Apple’s request to bar sales of some Samsung products next month.”

    Bloomberg
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-25/apple-s-1-billion-verdict-may-lead-to-samsung-sales-ban.html

  46. When my co-worker bought his Samsung Galaxy a few years ago, I was shocked to see that they clearly copied Iphone. They deserve this verdict.

    Silly Samwrong!!!

  47. eddieGuest 3 years ago

    Well it looks like Apple’s 600 Billion+ profit just wasn’t enough. Greedy bastards. I never was a fan of Apple, and with this, I’m never even going to think of purchasing one of their products. Yet, Apple fan boys are just too snobby and ignorant to leave Apple. Apple products aren’t innovative, they’re fashion accessories that some morons (Apple fan boys) claim are innovative, and are ahead of the game, when in reality, they’re in last place. And they haven’t been catching up with other technology companies in a long time. If you still disagree, then you’re a idiot. Nuff said.

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  49. Tony KornheiserGuest 3 years ago

    The new iPhone 5 is coming soon, it will maul these cheap korean scamphones anyway

  50. I can’t believe that Apple received this much cash for, mostly, squares and rounded edges.

    The patent system needs a huge overhaul when it comes down to stuff like this as I can bet that not a SINGLE person bought a Samsung phone thinking it was an iPhone.

  51. www.phonewbie.comGuest 3 years ago

    steve jobs said: “we have always been shameless about stealing”.

    http://www.redmondpie.com/so-apple-won-the-case-against-samsung-what-does-it-mean-to-you-the-consumer/

    Then proceeds to sue half the mobile world, smh.

  52. This TED talk is very relevant to this, especially starting at about 4:45. http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/kirby_ferguson_embrace_the_remix.html

    Apple is not protecting their own innovations, they’re protecting their position as a large company that’s made massive amounts of money on somebody else’s innovation. If anyone else dares to also use that same not-invented-or-licensed-by Apple innovation, they’ll sue the hell out of them to make sure they protect their profits.

    The video specifically shows one of their blatant lies, this example is multi-touch.

    Steve Jobs at the iPhone introduction: “We’ve invented a new technology called multi-touch. You can do multi-finger gestures on it; and boy have we patented it.”

    ONE YEAR EARLIER AT A TED TALK BY JEFF HAN: “Multi-touch sensing isn’t anything – isn’t completely new, people like Bill Buxton have been playing around with it in the 80′s”

    Apple needs to be stopped before they manage to find a jury willing to back up a claim that they own the idea of making phone calls from a hand-held device. Considering that they apparently have managed to convince people that the rounded-rectangle is a patentable shape and that a 4×4 grid layout is unique enough to deserve patent protection it wouldn’t surprise me…

  53. Here is a great intro as to why patents on software especially look and feel patents is a bad idea:

    http://frugaldad.com/patents/

  54. Hot_Tall_GirlGuest 3 years ago

    > The Final Verdict

    Why are there always so many errors on this site?

    This is by NO MEANS “Final”.

    Appeals will abound.

  55. mujGuest 3 years ago

    I don’t think samsung coppied apple. This is an injustice for samsung. Todays world there should be always a new innovation and competetor. Technolgy should be open for all to explore , not like apple to control the whole world.

    Samsung shouldn’t pay to apple. Apple is an american company , therefore justice came in favour of apple.

  56. I’m not sure if this has been posted, but it’s an interesting read about the case. It sounds a little … odd. (http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/08/why-the-apple-vs-samsung-jury-verdict-may-not-hold-up/)

    Here are some quotes from the jurors that I took from that article:
    “After we debated that first patent – what was prior art – because we had a hard time believing there was no prior art, that there wasn’t something out there before Apple.
    “In fact we skipped that one,” Ilagan continued, “so we could go on faster. It was bogging us down.””

    So they just skipped one of the most vital parts of the case? Sure, why not.

    This next one my personal favourite, though:
    “it’s easy to just go down those different [Samsung] products because it was all the same. Like the trade dress, once you determine Samsung violated the trade dress, the flatscreen with the Bezel…then you go down the products to see if it had a bezel. But we took our time. We didn’t rush.”

    They looked for phones with bezels? That’s pretty much every phone ever.

  57. AIM2002Guest 3 years ago

    Google need to patent the widget. That’ll teach apple!

  58. hold on, i just heard Apple patented light being omitted from an object… Sun – get out your checkbooks or prepare for darkness!

    I get protecting your IP and innovation, but this is all getting completely rediculous!

  59. I hope Apple doesn’t figure out that we have a grocery store in my country that sells BOTH apples and IPhones… I don’t think they have a billion anything…

  60. SadGuest 2 years ago

    The court ruling is joke. Why does Samsung have to come out of pocket? Why not charge them a percentage of everthug they sell or sold with the “patents” they copied. As it is people are losing jobs because of downsizing. I hope this doesn’t cause a ripple effect in our economy.