Aug 08 AT 3:52 PM Dima Aryeh 62 Comments

Samsung shows the merits of removable batteries at Lollapalooza festival

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Samsung is one of the few companies that makes phones with removable batteries anymore. Every single Galaxy device, even the water resistant Galaxy S 4 Active, has a removable back plate to get to things like the microSD slot and the battery. And we’ve seen an incredible amount of people argue that a removable battery is necessary for them in any phone they buy. But is it really that important?

Sometimes, it is. There are times where you will need your phone for an extended period of time, and with current phones, not a single one will last as long as you need it. Think about an all day music festival, where you’re taking tons of photos of a new band every hour. Your battery level will drop like mad, and unless you’re carrying around a bulky battery pack and keeping it carefully tethered to your device, it won’t last anywhere near a day.

Samsung has proven that removable batteries are useful by pulling an awesome marketing move in Chicago’s Lollapalooza music festival. They had a booth there that, for a tweet with a hashtag, would take your old discharged battery from a Galaxy device and hand you a charged one. Just like that, in a 15 second battery swap, your battery is full and ready for the rest of the day. And not many other phones can do that, with HTC, Apple, and others sealing in batteries.

Removable batteries aren’t the most important thing in the world, but they do affect a buyer’s opinion on a device. carrying around a small spare could save you, whether it is at a bar late at night or out in the desert when you’re trying to get home (yeah, I know, extreme example). And while it isn’t always necessary, it’s great to have it when it becomes needed. So, dear readers, what is your take on removable batteries?

Source: Pocket Now

Dima Aryeh is a Russian obsessed with all things tech. He does photography, is an avid phone modder (who uses an AT&T Galaxy Note II), a heavy gamer (both PC and 360), and an aspiring home mechanic. He is also an avid fan of music, especially power metal.

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  • mason

    I have the HTC one and I love it. I’m on my phone a lot I don’t really play games but more like Facebook email social stuff like that and leaving home fully charged my battery last me around 12 hours with use so I think that’s pretty damn good for HTC so a removable batter it’s really not a big deal to me

    • Kendalizor

      That’s great for now. Give it a year and see how much charge it gets. You will be forced to either buy another one or pay the $100 deductible, send it in and wait for it to come back a week later.
      Let’s not forget that about 20% of batteries stop working within the first few months and how are you going to fix that? I guess you can order a bulky separate charger and carry it around attached to your phone.

  • http://www.jaxidian.org/update/ jaxidian

    I have a Nexus 4 as my first phone w/o a removable battery and, while I love the phone, I *hate* the fact that it has no removable battery. I understand that an external battery pack is the best solution I have, and I have a couple of them, but for this simple reason I find that I have to always worry about battery life if I’m not at a desk all day and I hate that. I LOVE how I used to just always have everything enabled, used my phone as much as I wanted, and I never worried about battery life because I had enough juice for 24 hours of screen-on use with my phone! No Note 2 or Razr Maxx or anything else will get you that!

    • Joel

      I hear you. I bought a gs4 and what I had to end up doing is dimming my display and turning alot of features off to last the entire day. My coworker, who also has a sgs4, told me about the portable battery charger that comes with a spare battery made by Samsung. My phone hasnt been plugged into an outlet for weeks now. Im able to swap the batteries as soon as one is about to die.
      Now I can enjoy the display without dimming, play dungeon hunter 4 all damn day, and so much more.
      Just makes so much sense…

  • redraider133

    That and also the fact that the batteries degrade and lose ability to hold a charge, its much easier buying a new battery rather than having to send the phone back if it had a non removable battery.

    • Tangent

      THIS is why I insist on a removable battery! Not because I use my phone so heavily that no battery lasts long enough, but because after about a year the original battery will barely hold up to half a day’s use. This isn’t an issue for serial upgraders, but I prefer to buy a phone I really like and then flash new roms to keep it working well enough for a couple of years worth of use. I don’t want to have to replace it before I’ve even finished paying for it or finished the contract…

  • Tony

    For me it’s a pre-requisite for any smartphone I’m considering, if companies don’t want my money, keep sealing in your batteries, it’s your funeral. As much as I don’t want Samsung to be raking in all the android profits, if they keep giving me a replaceable battery, I’ll keep buying.

    • sebastianyuke

      yes, i agree with you. For me also, it’s the most important thing before buying phone.
      I’m use my phone all day with massive usage and usually need at least two times charge per day. As time go, the battery will be weaker. Even if all function of your phone is working fine, the first to be down is battery

    • cetj98168

      I’m a senior from Alaska thinking about getting a smart phone. Considering there are many situations where I might not be able to charge for several days – in the wilderness or on my boat, I won’t even consider one without an extra battery. I never heard of any battery operated equipment that you couldn’t replace the battery in, that would be madness…

      • redeye

        Love this post!

  • Mark

    It is a MUST to have a removable battery on my phones. That’s why I went with the S4 even though I wasn’t too thrilled about it over some other devices out there.

  • Cebastian

    I don’t rely on extra batteries, but I believe, as long as it makes sense, and as long as it has that specific advantage, I see no reason to leave it out.
    But from a designer’s perspective, I can see why you’d want to seal it in, to create a perfectly designed phone. Like, I don’t think the Xperia Z, One or the iPhone could look as good in detail, if they had a back cover. So it’s up for the consumer. The last 3 devices I’ve had haven’t had removable batteries, and the next one won’t either. Although, it’s certain I would love to have it, but in all in all, it’s rare enough for me to not prioritize it.

    • Dest

      You think that a removable back will detract from the design of the phone? Designers/manufacturers can very easily make phones with removable backs that are pleasing to the eye and maintain a water-proof seal.

      There are a few reasons why companies make phones with non-removable batteries, and in no particular order here are a few:

      - To prevent the use of unapproved (3rd party) batteries
      - Generate extra revenue by making battery replacement a service
      - To lead you into purchasing a NEW phone

      I’m sure it would have been very easy for Apple or any other company to design a removable back to their phone.. even if it meant that the entire back plate was removable, I doubt that the phone would look any better or worse.

  • brmo

    One of the things I would love phones to have is a smaller battery built in that lasted at least a minute, therefore you could swap your battery without having to shut down your phone. I know phones are getting faster and faster at booting up, but at the same time, it would be nice not to have to wait or possibly even miss an important phone call.

    • Someone

      There was a credit card sized emergency battery a while ago on Kickstarter.

      The nexus 1, galaxy nexus have both survived a hot battery swap if plugged in. Not sure if the credit charger will provide enough juice, but worth a shot.

  • Matthew Varallo

    This is such a sticking point for us android users. Most of us care about accessing expandable memory and (i would like to think) there is still plenty of us who root our phones. I started selling android at T-Mobile when it launched in 2008 and threw cyanogen mod on my mytouch not long after. Having a removable battery goes along with what Android is all about Open Source aka freedom. Freedom to mod your phone how you like, and that’s why we are seeing less removable batteries, because manufacturers dont want us customizing our phones they want us to run what they have chosen for us to run on our phones. So despite consumer demand they are going to ignore us. So sad

  • Mike C.

    I have a battery-usb-charger and it does the job – no need for battery swap. More important for me, Samsung still allows micro SD cards in their phones. I wish everybody did that. Unfortunately when choosing between a Nexus phone and a Samsung the Nexus still wins. Why can’t I get a HTC One as a Nexus device, with 64GB storage and a micro usb slot?

  • Ken

    Samsung Note II. 3100mAh. Battery? Not an issue. :D

    • Dest

      Don’t forget about the main cause of battery usage… which I’m pretty sure the screen is still top of the list in most cases. Consider that 3100mAh battery a way to balance out the power usage of a 5.5″ screen that can get pretty bright ;-P

  • Alexander

    I had a GS3

    This summer I went on two long trips. One a road trip where i drove all day long (and my car charger does not work), to be able to use navigation for that long i had to keep my phone on power save mode and it barely made it half a day, i had to charge it bit by bit at every pit stop.

    The second trip was @ the sea. Staying all day long on the beach I didn’t have a charger nearby, but as luck had it I borrowed a backup battery from a friend who also had a GS3 and it made a big difference, my first battery would die @ 17:00 or sooner, but with the spare, I did not care. I just replaced it and until I got back to the room I was safe :)

    Now I changed to GS4 and I wish I had the $$ to buy a spare for future trips.

    For day to day use in the city a spare is not needed that much.

  • jeff

    Its a must! I don’t swap batteries very often and usually I only switch them to let them both get some equal wear and tear. But the nice thing is having the ability to do a swap when its needed. Also as the phone ages, the battery does too. With batteries as cheap as they are popping in a brand new battery extends the life of the phone with ease. Or buy a larger than factory battery to really keep the party going!

  • rashad360

    I have never owned a phone without a removable battery, it factors very strongly in my decision process. In the past, I have used a phone for so long that the battery started to degrade to unacceptable levels. Having the ability to simply purchase a new battery and swap it in not only saves money but also makes me feel much more in control of the longevity of the device. The ability to remove the back cover also came in handy when I broke the glass on my G2x. Having easy access to the internal screws made it fairly easy to replace the glass myself on the cheap. Newer phones opt for a more sleek but more unrepairable design. I almost always opt for functionality over aesthetics.

  • Haggie

    Imagine buying a car that you could only fill-up with gas a certain number of times before it just stopped working even if every other component in the car was in perfect working order.

    • Dima

      Your comparison doesnt make sense..

      Having a removable battery option is great, but I noticed that overall feel of a phone is better when the back is not removable. Battery covers become “squeaky” after some time. But it doesnt matter for those who keep their phone in a case – I dont like cases. After being a “removable battery and microsd slot is a must” fan I realized I dont care about it anymore after using Nexus4 and iphone. I just really like that unibody build/feel, and battery life is good enough for me on those phones.

      • John Patrick

        His comment does make sense. EVERY battery has a finite number of times it will charge. Every time you discharge/recharge your battery, it’s ability to recharge fully is slightly reduced. By this time your battery is one to two years old it may only hold a fifty percent or less charge when recharged. Every single device I have owned that used a lithium battery has been affected by this. With removable batteries it’s no big deal – you recycle the old one and drop in a new one. Tough luck for sealed-in designs.

        • Dima

          if your battery doesnt hold a charge after even 2 years (why not upgrade?) you can still replace it thru manufacture support (talking about non-removable battery phone)..
          his comment doesnt make sense because if there were such cars then there would be a way to replace that “part” that stops working after certain period, and guess what, all cars have parts that DO stop working, and most people would take their car to a dealer or car shop instead of fixing or replacing parts themselves. see analogy?
          So the point of removable batteries is NOT to be able to replace it after 2-3 years, but rather to have extra juice if u heavily use your phone non-stop.

          • Fifth313ment

            Because some of us want to continue to use our phones as media devices or mp3 players. I have an EVO LTE as my phone but I use my OG EVO as a remote for my TV, mp3 player, a few simply games and an alarm clock. After having it two years the battery would only stay on like an hour before dying. So I went to Amazon and got a battery for $10 and swapped it out and it works like new again. My EVO LTE I’ve had for over a year and I used to get two days use before charging and now I’m barely making it a day. After my contract is up, next April, I’m sure it will be down to a half a day of use. So it won’t be able to be used like my current OG EVO. So unless you’re made of money, a sealed battery is a waste. The car analogy’s are great. I will never buy another HTC phone until they make a phone that has a removable battery and/or a microSD card slot. So my next phone will be a Samsung Note 3. HTC’s loss and Samsung’s gain. So who has the better plan? Hmmmmmm

          • Tangent

            “thru manufacture support”

            That’s the part I don’t want to deal with. Why should A quick Google search shows that replacing a battery costs about $100. Plus you have at least a week’s turnaround if they’re speedy. I replaced my Sensation’s battery with a higher capacity one for $15, with the turnaround time being what it took me to pull my old battery out and put this one in.

            The advantage of a non-removable battery is shaving a millimeter off the thickness maybe, and having it be easier to design a pretty shell. The advantage of a removable battery is saving at least $100 and a week without your phone during the time you’re still paying for the device, plus the convenience of being able to swap fresh batteries if/when needed for heavy use days.

            Yeah, the marketing people can go ahead and keep the phones that are that millimeter thinner than the competition. I’ll just go ahead and keep buying phones that put function ahead of minuscule aesthetic concerns…

          • Fifth313ment

            Tangent, I don’t believe you have to suffer design over functionality. Look at the Samsung GS4, it’s thinner than the HTC ONE with a bigger, removable battery, bigger screen, microSD card slot! So what is HTC’s excuse? If Samsung can do it they all can.

          • Dest

            I’m guessing you lease your cars, instead of buying? I don’t know too many people who don’t do their own maintenance on their vehicle… provided that they own it.

            Do you know how easy it is to replace an oil filter, or an air filter, or even your spark plugs or break pads/rotors? With a few minutes of research on the internet just about anyone will be able to do any of those things… provided that the car wasn’t designed for those things to be “dealer-serviceable” tasks (like some cars requiring you to remove a started to be able to take out an oil filter).

            Many people, myself included, want to get as much value out of our purchases as possible… and it is hard to do that when they are designed to be replaced after a set period of time, or require specialized servicing… which will always add to the cost of ownership.

            Buying a phone designed to be replaced, is like asking someone to take your money, and then reminding them to take more every so many days/months/years.

            For me, a removable battery means (in this order):
            1) longer device life
            2) an easy way to mod your phone (higher capacity batteries are available for nearly every phone with a removable battery for the past 10 or so years at least)
            3) one less thing to get the manufacturer involved in
            4) having the ability to swap out with a charged battery, keeping you away from a charger for a bit longer

          • redeye

            Replacing a battery should not be a manufacturer performed task

        • Robert

          I don’t get people. Your article makes absolute sense yet there are nay sayers. This is weird. Why would anyone want a phone to take hostage its internal heart?

  • don

    I will never buy a phone without a removable battery for all the reasons given already but one of the most important reason has not been given.When a sealed battery phone’s battery has exhausted its usefull life which is way before the usefull life of the phone the phone is almost useless and worth nothing.With a replaceable battery phone buy s new battery phone is good as new still worth money nice advantage

  • McLovin

    The non-user replaceable battery is a design flaw legacy that the Great Steve Jobs burdened us with.  And the lemmings bought into it and drank the Kool-Aid.  It’s great for the company but terrible for the user.  What if they did that with cars?  …”Looks like your battery is dead, time to lease/buy another car, sucker!”…  The car makers would love it.

     

    I’ve got a Galaxy Note 2 with a ZeroLemon 9300 mAh battery.  When I first got it, it lasted 4 days before I had to charge it.  I used to worry about what Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and GPS I had on.  I used to put the phone on a charger at work, in the car, etc, so when I really needed the phone (on my way home) it would work.  I don’t worry about any of that anymore.

     

    Skinny phones have skinny batteries that can’t make it through the day until you make it home again.

     

  • Pravas

    What about battery juicer? we can recharge on the go.

    Not an immediate solution but still.

  • donger

    Removable battery is a quick way to swap out empty batter for a full charged one.

  • apai

    having a battery is flexibility and not having to rely on the phone maker for expensive battery say at the end of second year. some people simply keep teir phones long. others, like sales people travel a lot and need a spare battery. I simply do not understand the need to make closed enclosures and not give the options. samsung is showing us the waydoing it right

  • Dan

    I have never owned a cellphone that doesn’t have a user-replaceable battery. I like having the option of replacing the battery when the current one is on its last legs and can’t last a typical work day.

  • ccf

    Absolutely agreed. While I do use an external battery pack, a removable battery is a must for me as I kept me phone for more than the measly one year of battery life so the ability to replace old battery is a must for me.
    And android is all about choices so those manufacturer whole goes the ifruity way and keep on cutting down on user choices will never get my support

  • surethom

    Personally I have never removed a battery unless it was because the phone froze, & working in an I.T Department I know no one that has ever removed the battery to insert a spare one or a new one as you usually get a new one before the battey gets that bad, so personally I dont see the point to remove the batter unless you intent to keep the phone for over 2 years, then replacing the battery will help.

  • Orion78

    This is why I love my Galaxy Nexus. I’m a power user and I have to have removable batteries. I just hope the next Nexus will have one. If not, then Samsung will be getting my money again. Hello Note 3.

  • worldcsb

    It’s an absolute necessity for me. I have multiple extra batteries I keep charged for my Galaxy Nexus whether I’m going out for a long night and no idea when I’ll return or if I’m heading into the country with no power in sight, it’s always handy. I recently bought an external charging pack on Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Multi-Purpose-Universal-Charger-Battery-iPhones/dp/B0058XGN7I/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1376055317&sr=8-2&keywords=galaxy+nexus+battery+charger and I absolutely love it.

    I think it’s a huge benefit to have removable batteries and be able to carry a spare in your pocket. Ask my friends who all have dead iphones at midnight what their thoughts are…

  • dark_funk

    You can always get an external power pack, or an extended battery case if your phone supports it. But to me the convenience of swappable batteries, with the option of something like the ZeroLemon extended battery (which I use with my SGS3), can’t be beat.

    Sadly, this means I’m stuck with Samsung for the near-future. I’d love to be able to consider an HTC, LG, Moto, etc., but it seems like manufacturers are going in the (IMO) wrong direction on this one.

  • Cantelumber

    This will be the last HTC I buy unless they start designing phones with removable batteries again. Samsung it is!

  • keiji

    How many of you would own a fully electric car? No? Why not?

    Because the one time you misjudge your usage patterns and you are stuck in the middle of nowhere waiting for a charge to get you to your destination, you’ll be cursing yourself for not owning a gasoline powered vehicle where you could fill up in the span of a few minutes as opposed to hours.

    It’s really the same thing. I have a galaxy nexus and a nexus 4, but whenever I know I’ll be anywhere but work or home, I pull out the galaxy nexus and my stack of removables.

  • Ihavenewnike

    No removable battery, no go for me too. Specifically for rooting purposes. I need to be able to pull in case I get a bootloop or something. I love removable batteries. I believe there used to be a phone with a removable metal back. But I might be wrong. I would love that.

    • Dest

      I completely forgot about this reason! ~_~ It has been a while since I rooted my Droid X (not to be confused with the X2)… it has a metal back plate, with some rubberized coating on the outside… Old phone, but it still works for what I need from it.

  • VRMan

    This was the first time I bought a phone without a replaceable battery. HTC One. Nice phone, but that thing eats the battery like crazy. I’m lucky if I make it the whole day with power saver on and limited use. If I actually have to use it for anything, I’m lucky if I get 4 to 6 hours.

    My previous phone was the Nexus, and I had an extended battery on it. I could use it for whatever all day long. Never had a problem. (until I dropped it and broke teh screen :( )So in the future, the first thing on my “must haves” will be “replaceable/extended battery”.

  • Sachin

    Me too, i gave up on HTC after they went for sealed batteries. After paying 40k inr, i am not replacing phone every 2 years. I will use it least for 3 years before upgrade. Note 3, 25 sept you are coming home to me.

  • GundyAndy

    I like htc phones. My old htc incredible S had removable batteries; when the contract ended i went for the S4 (I hate Samsungs) because Htc one comes with non-removable batteries. Sad to leave HTC, I am sure phone companies like HTC have lost a lot of business due to design decisions.

    • redeye

      In agreement about HTC. Their support picks the phone right up and is excellent. That is huge. But the fact that the newer droids from them have sealed batteries is a tough pill to swallow. It has me considering a Samsung I have to admit.

  • Gogi

    Two years ago I got razr xt910 on a 3 year contract from Rogers. Big mistake. Even though the first battery was replaced by the manufacturer after 10 months, the new one is already dying… I will never ever get a smartphone with a sealed battery!

  • redeye

    I have an HTC incredible 4g which replaced and incredible which replaced a blackberry which replaced a few palm treo phones which replaced a series of nokia phones. I would not have a count of how many times being able to remove the battery has helped me because the count if very high.

    Both of my droid phones have locked up to the point that there weren’t even responsive to the on/off button. Remove the battery, reinsall it, fixed.

    All of my phones at some point have gotten wet and in some cases dropped completely in water. Immediately remove the battery and allow the phone to thoroughly dry out, replace the battery, phone works.

    A non-removable battery is a marketing driven trend. It allows for a more sleek and attractive enclosure. It also reduces the ability of the user/ owner to service/fix his phone on his own and may in fact advance the trend in replace rather than repair. It makes the phones marginally more marketable at the expense of being user friendly: a dynamic that has been mastered by apple but is now being mimicked by other majors.

    Sad.

  • Gary

    Sleek design, quad core processior, HD display, Beats audio, navigation, games and video. ALL WORTHLESS WHEN THE BATTERY GOES DEAD. It’s this simple, I have friends and family with both Iphones and Androids. They are always fighting a dead or dying battery. I have three spare batteries and an external charger and my phone is always 30 seconds away from a fully charged status. A $600 device that we all love, we are addicited to, and we depend on for so much all rendered worthless when a $30 battery goes dead. ….so you have a stylish brick. Nice.

  • Robert

    Many of the discussions I’ve read in this column many missed the author’s emphasis about having it both ways. For all who complain of battery issues, well that’s a “battery” issue not a cell phone issue. By purchasing a phone with a non-removable battery, you are guilty of making it a cellphone issue when battery issues arise. Especially when one is stuck in a unique situation where a 15 second full charge battery swap would address that issue to maximum efficiency.
    The guys who “make” batteries for cell phones only get memos on dimensions and where the power strip will be. Samsung has a battery division so they can profit on that market too. But Samsung’s battery division and cellphone division are 2 separate entities. puts their name on a battery does it mean that their phone division makes them. In short, in countless circumstances that I’ve been in, were it not for a removable battery I would have been forced to purchase a phone that had one. It’s akin to a cordless drill running out of juice a few hours into a job. Which is why all high-end cordless tools come with “extra” batteries. This allows freedom.

  • Jill

    I’m looking at the new phones right now, but my Droid X just won’t die! I’ve had it almost 5 years and it’s in perfect condition. I do notice that sometimes it gets slow, but I’ve tried to minimize apps that are always on , like Facebook, news, etc… I’m guessing that it’s not as powerful as the other phones today, so the apps take too much cpu and memory for me. I can run these apps, but if I turn off, then I can operate easier on making phone calls and looking up map directions. The main issue right now is my battery! I’ve had several replacements, but even those are pooping out on me because the batteries for this model have been on the shelf for 4-5 years too.

    I see that most new phones don’t have replaceable batteries. That is a huge concern for me. If I’m a good owner who is responsible and doesn’t break or lose phones, my battery will 100% be a problem 2 years later. I want to be able to replace my battery and save tons of money not buying new phones and taking on Verizon’s new phone plans until I’m good and ready. Right now I have unlimited data for the 2Gb price. If I get new phone, I have to watch my data. But I think I need to get new phone that will last for at least 3-4 years. I’m an engineer and smart enough to work around issues to make my phone last. I’m no sucker on having the latest technology and paying lots of extra money. I need a phone, texting, map services, and some extra fun stuff.

    What are the best new phones that use Android and have replaceable batteries??? And I don’t want to pay $200-350… I like to save my money for my future, not on keeping up with the hottest trend. Any help would be appreciated!

  • Alexander Deming

    If the battery is not user-replaceable, the whole thing is not worth more than a spare battery.

    When the battery is not holding a charge, it is time to replace it. If the battery is user-replaceable, I’ii order a spare and swap it in a minute. If it is not…

    The entire unit has to be sent to a factory. Shipping to a factory will take about a week (in the best case). Another week will be lost before the battery is replaced. Shipping the unit back will take one more week. Three weeks without a gadget that became necessary… plus labor and delivery charges…

    Insurance. If a new battery is lost or damaged on delivery, I am entitled to a free replacement or money back. If a used item is lost, I will get a fraction of the cost of a new gadget.

    There is only one way to avoid this nightmare – buy a new unit. So, if the battery is not user-replaceable, the entire unit is not worth more than a spare battery.

  • Shebastian

    My mum and dad both have nexus 5′s and they are beautiful phones, but the fact that you have to keep them on chargers drives me nuts. Granted, having wireless charging plates makes it less painful, but in my case (Galaxy Note 2) I can’t remember the last time I’ve plugged my phone in, unless I was transfering data (and even then I try to use wireless first). I have 4 batteries: one in the charger at home, one in the charger at work, one in the phone, and one on my person at all times. Never had to worry about finding a charger. I have more charge than I can possibly use.

    I know everyone is not like me (especially in america where the consenus seems to be that removable batteries matter little), but I do hope samsung continues to make removable batteries for as long as I keep buying phones.

  • Steven Henderson

    I will never buy a phone without a user replaceable battery AND and SD card for user expandable storage.

    Most phone manufacturers are leaving a huge gap in the market right now.

    A mid size phone 4.7-4.9″, with decent specs (no samsung mini), that has both a user replaceable battery AND a SD card slot.

    For now I stick with my Moto Photon, I wish I had Kitkat and real LTE 4G, but those are not deal breakers for me.
    A HUGE phone, and/or a phone without a user replaceable battery AND SD card slot are deal breakers

  • K. Darien Freeheart

    So many blog posts think the issue with removable batteries is that we like to carry spares with it. I’m sure some do, but it’s completely irrelevant to why I *require* a removable battery.

    I hack my phones. I root them, I add features to them, I remove features I don’t want. I develop applications, test applications, test kernels.

    In this process, sometimes things break. Sometimes the things that break are the power button, meaning the only way to reset my phone without waiting for the fully charged battery to die is to yank the battery.

    Is it rare? Yes. Is it a common use case? No. But is it critical to folks who hack their phones? Sometimes, yeah.

  • Devil’s Advocate

    Alright guys enough with the circlejerk on removable batteries. I used to think removable batteries were the end all be all of buying smartphones. But having purchased a lot of internal batteries already, I now see valid reasons for non-removable batteries. First of all, buying multiple spare batteries for multiple smartphones gets very very expensive, since the spare battery can only fit a specific device. If you buy those cheapo 10 dollar batteries than you should know that to cut down on mfg costs cost they only hold at most a 60-70% charge, meaning they are no better than true OEM batteries with a 80-90% charge and a aged capacity. And these real OEM batteries are not cheap at all, they cost 20-30$ each for around 1200mah and 40-50$ for for more than 2000mah and increase even more as the capacity gets higher since not all of them are being mass manufactured. Now when you buy a few of them for each of your many smartphones it will rack up cost you the around the money for a new smartphone since they are not interchangable. Let’s not forget that you have to charge every one of those suckers with a spare cradle charger which costs even more additional money and they charge slowly so it’s pain in ass to manage so many used spare batteries in your pocket. Non removable battery design allows a bigger capacity in a smaller form factor because there is less parts to the device. You can fit more than 2000mah in a slim 4.3 in form factor and non-removable batteries tend to have higher QC and last much longer than third party batteries, which also depend much on popularity for OEM extended battery support. If you don’t buy the expensive OEM batteries, you might as well stay with the original used battery since they last about as long a third party cheap battery.

  • Abhinav Sharma

    If your phone with removable battery gets stolen or lost, you cant make it ON via security/phone lost apps or google.com/device manager as the thief had already removed its battery, so u cant make it switch on by those lost security apps, because ur phone has no power supply & you are not able to trace its current location until it is ON.

    Just think if for that moment ur device wit non-removable battery & it has been stolen. you may make it ON via those apps by cyber cafe or laptop.

    Isn’t so??

  1. masonGuest 2 years ago

    I have the HTC one and I love it. I’m on my phone a lot I don’t really play games but more like Facebook email social stuff like that and leaving home fully charged my battery last me around 12 hours with use so I think that’s pretty damn good for HTC so a removable batter it’s really not a big deal to me

    • KendalizorGuest 2 years ago

      That’s great for now. Give it a year and see how much charge it gets. You will be forced to either buy another one or pay the $100 deductible, send it in and wait for it to come back a week later.
      Let’s not forget that about 20% of batteries stop working within the first few months and how are you going to fix that? I guess you can order a bulky separate charger and carry it around attached to your phone.

  2. I have a Nexus 4 as my first phone w/o a removable battery and, while I love the phone, I *hate* the fact that it has no removable battery. I understand that an external battery pack is the best solution I have, and I have a couple of them, but for this simple reason I find that I have to always worry about battery life if I’m not at a desk all day and I hate that. I LOVE how I used to just always have everything enabled, used my phone as much as I wanted, and I never worried about battery life because I had enough juice for 24 hours of screen-on use with my phone! No Note 2 or Razr Maxx or anything else will get you that!

    • I hear you. I bought a gs4 and what I had to end up doing is dimming my display and turning alot of features off to last the entire day. My coworker, who also has a sgs4, told me about the portable battery charger that comes with a spare battery made by Samsung. My phone hasnt been plugged into an outlet for weeks now. Im able to swap the batteries as soon as one is about to die.
      Now I can enjoy the display without dimming, play dungeon hunter 4 all damn day, and so much more.
      Just makes so much sense…

  3. That and also the fact that the batteries degrade and lose ability to hold a charge, its much easier buying a new battery rather than having to send the phone back if it had a non removable battery.

    • THIS is why I insist on a removable battery! Not because I use my phone so heavily that no battery lasts long enough, but because after about a year the original battery will barely hold up to half a day’s use. This isn’t an issue for serial upgraders, but I prefer to buy a phone I really like and then flash new roms to keep it working well enough for a couple of years worth of use. I don’t want to have to replace it before I’ve even finished paying for it or finished the contract…

  4. TonyGuest 2 years ago

    For me it’s a pre-requisite for any smartphone I’m considering, if companies don’t want my money, keep sealing in your batteries, it’s your funeral. As much as I don’t want Samsung to be raking in all the android profits, if they keep giving me a replaceable battery, I’ll keep buying.

    • yes, i agree with you. For me also, it’s the most important thing before buying phone.
      I’m use my phone all day with massive usage and usually need at least two times charge per day. As time go, the battery will be weaker. Even if all function of your phone is working fine, the first to be down is battery

    • cetj98168Guest 2 years ago

      I’m a senior from Alaska thinking about getting a smart phone. Considering there are many situations where I might not be able to charge for several days – in the wilderness or on my boat, I won’t even consider one without an extra battery. I never heard of any battery operated equipment that you couldn’t replace the battery in, that would be madness…

  5. MarkGuest 2 years ago

    It is a MUST to have a removable battery on my phones. That’s why I went with the S4 even though I wasn’t too thrilled about it over some other devices out there.

  6. CebastianGuest 2 years ago

    I don’t rely on extra batteries, but I believe, as long as it makes sense, and as long as it has that specific advantage, I see no reason to leave it out.
    But from a designer’s perspective, I can see why you’d want to seal it in, to create a perfectly designed phone. Like, I don’t think the Xperia Z, One or the iPhone could look as good in detail, if they had a back cover. So it’s up for the consumer. The last 3 devices I’ve had haven’t had removable batteries, and the next one won’t either. Although, it’s certain I would love to have it, but in all in all, it’s rare enough for me to not prioritize it.

    • DestGuest 2 years ago

      You think that a removable back will detract from the design of the phone? Designers/manufacturers can very easily make phones with removable backs that are pleasing to the eye and maintain a water-proof seal.

      There are a few reasons why companies make phones with non-removable batteries, and in no particular order here are a few:

      - To prevent the use of unapproved (3rd party) batteries
      - Generate extra revenue by making battery replacement a service
      - To lead you into purchasing a NEW phone

      I’m sure it would have been very easy for Apple or any other company to design a removable back to their phone.. even if it meant that the entire back plate was removable, I doubt that the phone would look any better or worse.

  7. brmoGuest 2 years ago

    One of the things I would love phones to have is a smaller battery built in that lasted at least a minute, therefore you could swap your battery without having to shut down your phone. I know phones are getting faster and faster at booting up, but at the same time, it would be nice not to have to wait or possibly even miss an important phone call.

    • SomeoneGuest 2 years ago

      There was a credit card sized emergency battery a while ago on Kickstarter.

      The nexus 1, galaxy nexus have both survived a hot battery swap if plugged in. Not sure if the credit charger will provide enough juice, but worth a shot.

  8. This is such a sticking point for us android users. Most of us care about accessing expandable memory and (i would like to think) there is still plenty of us who root our phones. I started selling android at T-Mobile when it launched in 2008 and threw cyanogen mod on my mytouch not long after. Having a removable battery goes along with what Android is all about Open Source aka freedom. Freedom to mod your phone how you like, and that’s why we are seeing less removable batteries, because manufacturers dont want us customizing our phones they want us to run what they have chosen for us to run on our phones. So despite consumer demand they are going to ignore us. So sad

  9. Mike C.Guest 2 years ago

    I have a battery-usb-charger and it does the job – no need for battery swap. More important for me, Samsung still allows micro SD cards in their phones. I wish everybody did that. Unfortunately when choosing between a Nexus phone and a Samsung the Nexus still wins. Why can’t I get a HTC One as a Nexus device, with 64GB storage and a micro usb slot?

  10. KenGuest 2 years ago

    Samsung Note II. 3100mAh. Battery? Not an issue. :D

    • DestGuest 2 years ago

      Don’t forget about the main cause of battery usage… which I’m pretty sure the screen is still top of the list in most cases. Consider that 3100mAh battery a way to balance out the power usage of a 5.5″ screen that can get pretty bright ;-P

  11. AlexanderGuest 2 years ago

    I had a GS3

    This summer I went on two long trips. One a road trip where i drove all day long (and my car charger does not work), to be able to use navigation for that long i had to keep my phone on power save mode and it barely made it half a day, i had to charge it bit by bit at every pit stop.

    The second trip was @ the sea. Staying all day long on the beach I didn’t have a charger nearby, but as luck had it I borrowed a backup battery from a friend who also had a GS3 and it made a big difference, my first battery would die @ 17:00 or sooner, but with the spare, I did not care. I just replaced it and until I got back to the room I was safe :)

    Now I changed to GS4 and I wish I had the $$ to buy a spare for future trips.

    For day to day use in the city a spare is not needed that much.

  12. jeffGuest 2 years ago

    Its a must! I don’t swap batteries very often and usually I only switch them to let them both get some equal wear and tear. But the nice thing is having the ability to do a swap when its needed. Also as the phone ages, the battery does too. With batteries as cheap as they are popping in a brand new battery extends the life of the phone with ease. Or buy a larger than factory battery to really keep the party going!

  13. I have never owned a phone without a removable battery, it factors very strongly in my decision process. In the past, I have used a phone for so long that the battery started to degrade to unacceptable levels. Having the ability to simply purchase a new battery and swap it in not only saves money but also makes me feel much more in control of the longevity of the device. The ability to remove the back cover also came in handy when I broke the glass on my G2x. Having easy access to the internal screws made it fairly easy to replace the glass myself on the cheap. Newer phones opt for a more sleek but more unrepairable design. I almost always opt for functionality over aesthetics.

  14. HaggieGuest 2 years ago

    Imagine buying a car that you could only fill-up with gas a certain number of times before it just stopped working even if every other component in the car was in perfect working order.

    • DimaGuest 2 years ago

      Your comparison doesnt make sense..

      Having a removable battery option is great, but I noticed that overall feel of a phone is better when the back is not removable. Battery covers become “squeaky” after some time. But it doesnt matter for those who keep their phone in a case – I dont like cases. After being a “removable battery and microsd slot is a must” fan I realized I dont care about it anymore after using Nexus4 and iphone. I just really like that unibody build/feel, and battery life is good enough for me on those phones.

      • John PatrickGuest 2 years ago

        His comment does make sense. EVERY battery has a finite number of times it will charge. Every time you discharge/recharge your battery, it’s ability to recharge fully is slightly reduced. By this time your battery is one to two years old it may only hold a fifty percent or less charge when recharged. Every single device I have owned that used a lithium battery has been affected by this. With removable batteries it’s no big deal – you recycle the old one and drop in a new one. Tough luck for sealed-in designs.

        • DimaGuest 2 years ago

          if your battery doesnt hold a charge after even 2 years (why not upgrade?) you can still replace it thru manufacture support (talking about non-removable battery phone)..
          his comment doesnt make sense because if there were such cars then there would be a way to replace that “part” that stops working after certain period, and guess what, all cars have parts that DO stop working, and most people would take their car to a dealer or car shop instead of fixing or replacing parts themselves. see analogy?
          So the point of removable batteries is NOT to be able to replace it after 2-3 years, but rather to have extra juice if u heavily use your phone non-stop.

          • Because some of us want to continue to use our phones as media devices or mp3 players. I have an EVO LTE as my phone but I use my OG EVO as a remote for my TV, mp3 player, a few simply games and an alarm clock. After having it two years the battery would only stay on like an hour before dying. So I went to Amazon and got a battery for $10 and swapped it out and it works like new again. My EVO LTE I’ve had for over a year and I used to get two days use before charging and now I’m barely making it a day. After my contract is up, next April, I’m sure it will be down to a half a day of use. So it won’t be able to be used like my current OG EVO. So unless you’re made of money, a sealed battery is a waste. The car analogy’s are great. I will never buy another HTC phone until they make a phone that has a removable battery and/or a microSD card slot. So my next phone will be a Samsung Note 3. HTC’s loss and Samsung’s gain. So who has the better plan? Hmmmmmm

          • “thru manufacture support”

            That’s the part I don’t want to deal with. Why should A quick Google search shows that replacing a battery costs about $100. Plus you have at least a week’s turnaround if they’re speedy. I replaced my Sensation’s battery with a higher capacity one for $15, with the turnaround time being what it took me to pull my old battery out and put this one in.

            The advantage of a non-removable battery is shaving a millimeter off the thickness maybe, and having it be easier to design a pretty shell. The advantage of a removable battery is saving at least $100 and a week without your phone during the time you’re still paying for the device, plus the convenience of being able to swap fresh batteries if/when needed for heavy use days.

            Yeah, the marketing people can go ahead and keep the phones that are that millimeter thinner than the competition. I’ll just go ahead and keep buying phones that put function ahead of minuscule aesthetic concerns…

          • Tangent, I don’t believe you have to suffer design over functionality. Look at the Samsung GS4, it’s thinner than the HTC ONE with a bigger, removable battery, bigger screen, microSD card slot! So what is HTC’s excuse? If Samsung can do it they all can.

          • DestGuest 2 years ago

            I’m guessing you lease your cars, instead of buying? I don’t know too many people who don’t do their own maintenance on their vehicle… provided that they own it.

            Do you know how easy it is to replace an oil filter, or an air filter, or even your spark plugs or break pads/rotors? With a few minutes of research on the internet just about anyone will be able to do any of those things… provided that the car wasn’t designed for those things to be “dealer-serviceable” tasks (like some cars requiring you to remove a started to be able to take out an oil filter).

            Many people, myself included, want to get as much value out of our purchases as possible… and it is hard to do that when they are designed to be replaced after a set period of time, or require specialized servicing… which will always add to the cost of ownership.

            Buying a phone designed to be replaced, is like asking someone to take your money, and then reminding them to take more every so many days/months/years.

            For me, a removable battery means (in this order):
            1) longer device life
            2) an easy way to mod your phone (higher capacity batteries are available for nearly every phone with a removable battery for the past 10 or so years at least)
            3) one less thing to get the manufacturer involved in
            4) having the ability to swap out with a charged battery, keeping you away from a charger for a bit longer

          • redeyeGuest 2 years ago

            Replacing a battery should not be a manufacturer performed task

        • RobertGuest 1 year ago

          I don’t get people. Your article makes absolute sense yet there are nay sayers. This is weird. Why would anyone want a phone to take hostage its internal heart?

  15. donGuest 2 years ago

    I will never buy a phone without a removable battery for all the reasons given already but one of the most important reason has not been given.When a sealed battery phone’s battery has exhausted its usefull life which is way before the usefull life of the phone the phone is almost useless and worth nothing.With a replaceable battery phone buy s new battery phone is good as new still worth money nice advantage

  16. The non-user replaceable battery is a design flaw legacy that the Great Steve Jobs burdened us with.  And the lemmings bought into it and drank the Kool-Aid.  It’s great for the company but terrible for the user.  What if they did that with cars?  …”Looks like your battery is dead, time to lease/buy another car, sucker!”…  The car makers would love it.

     

    I’ve got a Galaxy Note 2 with a ZeroLemon 9300 mAh battery.  When I first got it, it lasted 4 days before I had to charge it.  I used to worry about what Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and GPS I had on.  I used to put the phone on a charger at work, in the car, etc, so when I really needed the phone (on my way home) it would work.  I don’t worry about any of that anymore.

     

    Skinny phones have skinny batteries that can’t make it through the day until you make it home again.

     

  17. What about battery juicer? we can recharge on the go.

    Not an immediate solution but still.

  18. Removable battery is a quick way to swap out empty batter for a full charged one.

  19. apaiGuest 2 years ago

    having a battery is flexibility and not having to rely on the phone maker for expensive battery say at the end of second year. some people simply keep teir phones long. others, like sales people travel a lot and need a spare battery. I simply do not understand the need to make closed enclosures and not give the options. samsung is showing us the waydoing it right

  20. DanGuest 2 years ago

    I have never owned a cellphone that doesn’t have a user-replaceable battery. I like having the option of replacing the battery when the current one is on its last legs and can’t last a typical work day.

  21. ccfGuest 2 years ago

    Absolutely agreed. While I do use an external battery pack, a removable battery is a must for me as I kept me phone for more than the measly one year of battery life so the ability to replace old battery is a must for me.
    And android is all about choices so those manufacturer whole goes the ifruity way and keep on cutting down on user choices will never get my support

  22. Personally I have never removed a battery unless it was because the phone froze, & working in an I.T Department I know no one that has ever removed the battery to insert a spare one or a new one as you usually get a new one before the battey gets that bad, so personally I dont see the point to remove the batter unless you intent to keep the phone for over 2 years, then replacing the battery will help.

  23. This is why I love my Galaxy Nexus. I’m a power user and I have to have removable batteries. I just hope the next Nexus will have one. If not, then Samsung will be getting my money again. Hello Note 3.

  24. It’s an absolute necessity for me. I have multiple extra batteries I keep charged for my Galaxy Nexus whether I’m going out for a long night and no idea when I’ll return or if I’m heading into the country with no power in sight, it’s always handy. I recently bought an external charging pack on Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Multi-Purpose-Universal-Charger-Battery-iPhones/dp/B0058XGN7I/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1376055317&sr=8-2&keywords=galaxy+nexus+battery+charger and I absolutely love it.

    I think it’s a huge benefit to have removable batteries and be able to carry a spare in your pocket. Ask my friends who all have dead iphones at midnight what their thoughts are…

  25. You can always get an external power pack, or an extended battery case if your phone supports it. But to me the convenience of swappable batteries, with the option of something like the ZeroLemon extended battery (which I use with my SGS3), can’t be beat.

    Sadly, this means I’m stuck with Samsung for the near-future. I’d love to be able to consider an HTC, LG, Moto, etc., but it seems like manufacturers are going in the (IMO) wrong direction on this one.

  26. CantelumberGuest 2 years ago

    This will be the last HTC I buy unless they start designing phones with removable batteries again. Samsung it is!

  27. keijiGuest 2 years ago

    How many of you would own a fully electric car? No? Why not?

    Because the one time you misjudge your usage patterns and you are stuck in the middle of nowhere waiting for a charge to get you to your destination, you’ll be cursing yourself for not owning a gasoline powered vehicle where you could fill up in the span of a few minutes as opposed to hours.

    It’s really the same thing. I have a galaxy nexus and a nexus 4, but whenever I know I’ll be anywhere but work or home, I pull out the galaxy nexus and my stack of removables.

  28. IhavenewnikeGuest 2 years ago

    No removable battery, no go for me too. Specifically for rooting purposes. I need to be able to pull in case I get a bootloop or something. I love removable batteries. I believe there used to be a phone with a removable metal back. But I might be wrong. I would love that.

    • DestGuest 2 years ago

      I completely forgot about this reason! ~_~ It has been a while since I rooted my Droid X (not to be confused with the X2)… it has a metal back plate, with some rubberized coating on the outside… Old phone, but it still works for what I need from it.

  29. VRManGuest 2 years ago

    This was the first time I bought a phone without a replaceable battery. HTC One. Nice phone, but that thing eats the battery like crazy. I’m lucky if I make it the whole day with power saver on and limited use. If I actually have to use it for anything, I’m lucky if I get 4 to 6 hours.

    My previous phone was the Nexus, and I had an extended battery on it. I could use it for whatever all day long. Never had a problem. (until I dropped it and broke teh screen :( )So in the future, the first thing on my “must haves” will be “replaceable/extended battery”.

  30. SachinGuest 2 years ago

    Me too, i gave up on HTC after they went for sealed batteries. After paying 40k inr, i am not replacing phone every 2 years. I will use it least for 3 years before upgrade. Note 3, 25 sept you are coming home to me.

  31. GundyAndyGuest 2 years ago

    I like htc phones. My old htc incredible S had removable batteries; when the contract ended i went for the S4 (I hate Samsungs) because Htc one comes with non-removable batteries. Sad to leave HTC, I am sure phone companies like HTC have lost a lot of business due to design decisions.

    • redeyeGuest 2 years ago

      In agreement about HTC. Their support picks the phone right up and is excellent. That is huge. But the fact that the newer droids from them have sealed batteries is a tough pill to swallow. It has me considering a Samsung I have to admit.

  32. GogiGuest 2 years ago

    Two years ago I got razr xt910 on a 3 year contract from Rogers. Big mistake. Even though the first battery was replaced by the manufacturer after 10 months, the new one is already dying… I will never ever get a smartphone with a sealed battery!

  33. redeyeGuest 2 years ago

    I have an HTC incredible 4g which replaced and incredible which replaced a blackberry which replaced a few palm treo phones which replaced a series of nokia phones. I would not have a count of how many times being able to remove the battery has helped me because the count if very high.

    Both of my droid phones have locked up to the point that there weren’t even responsive to the on/off button. Remove the battery, reinsall it, fixed.

    All of my phones at some point have gotten wet and in some cases dropped completely in water. Immediately remove the battery and allow the phone to thoroughly dry out, replace the battery, phone works.

    A non-removable battery is a marketing driven trend. It allows for a more sleek and attractive enclosure. It also reduces the ability of the user/ owner to service/fix his phone on his own and may in fact advance the trend in replace rather than repair. It makes the phones marginally more marketable at the expense of being user friendly: a dynamic that has been mastered by apple but is now being mimicked by other majors.

    Sad.

  34. GaryGuest 2 years ago

    Sleek design, quad core processior, HD display, Beats audio, navigation, games and video. ALL WORTHLESS WHEN THE BATTERY GOES DEAD. It’s this simple, I have friends and family with both Iphones and Androids. They are always fighting a dead or dying battery. I have three spare batteries and an external charger and my phone is always 30 seconds away from a fully charged status. A $600 device that we all love, we are addicited to, and we depend on for so much all rendered worthless when a $30 battery goes dead. ….so you have a stylish brick. Nice.

  35. RobertGuest 1 year ago

    Many of the discussions I’ve read in this column many missed the author’s emphasis about having it both ways. For all who complain of battery issues, well that’s a “battery” issue not a cell phone issue. By purchasing a phone with a non-removable battery, you are guilty of making it a cellphone issue when battery issues arise. Especially when one is stuck in a unique situation where a 15 second full charge battery swap would address that issue to maximum efficiency.
    The guys who “make” batteries for cell phones only get memos on dimensions and where the power strip will be. Samsung has a battery division so they can profit on that market too. But Samsung’s battery division and cellphone division are 2 separate entities. puts their name on a battery does it mean that their phone division makes them. In short, in countless circumstances that I’ve been in, were it not for a removable battery I would have been forced to purchase a phone that had one. It’s akin to a cordless drill running out of juice a few hours into a job. Which is why all high-end cordless tools come with “extra” batteries. This allows freedom.

  36. JillGuest 1 year ago

    I’m looking at the new phones right now, but my Droid X just won’t die! I’ve had it almost 5 years and it’s in perfect condition. I do notice that sometimes it gets slow, but I’ve tried to minimize apps that are always on , like Facebook, news, etc… I’m guessing that it’s not as powerful as the other phones today, so the apps take too much cpu and memory for me. I can run these apps, but if I turn off, then I can operate easier on making phone calls and looking up map directions. The main issue right now is my battery! I’ve had several replacements, but even those are pooping out on me because the batteries for this model have been on the shelf for 4-5 years too.

    I see that most new phones don’t have replaceable batteries. That is a huge concern for me. If I’m a good owner who is responsible and doesn’t break or lose phones, my battery will 100% be a problem 2 years later. I want to be able to replace my battery and save tons of money not buying new phones and taking on Verizon’s new phone plans until I’m good and ready. Right now I have unlimited data for the 2Gb price. If I get new phone, I have to watch my data. But I think I need to get new phone that will last for at least 3-4 years. I’m an engineer and smart enough to work around issues to make my phone last. I’m no sucker on having the latest technology and paying lots of extra money. I need a phone, texting, map services, and some extra fun stuff.

    What are the best new phones that use Android and have replaceable batteries??? And I don’t want to pay $200-350… I like to save my money for my future, not on keeping up with the hottest trend. Any help would be appreciated!

  37. Alexander DemingGuest 1 year ago

    If the battery is not user-replaceable, the whole thing is not worth more than a spare battery.

    When the battery is not holding a charge, it is time to replace it. If the battery is user-replaceable, I’ii order a spare and swap it in a minute. If it is not…

    The entire unit has to be sent to a factory. Shipping to a factory will take about a week (in the best case). Another week will be lost before the battery is replaced. Shipping the unit back will take one more week. Three weeks without a gadget that became necessary… plus labor and delivery charges…

    Insurance. If a new battery is lost or damaged on delivery, I am entitled to a free replacement or money back. If a used item is lost, I will get a fraction of the cost of a new gadget.

    There is only one way to avoid this nightmare – buy a new unit. So, if the battery is not user-replaceable, the entire unit is not worth more than a spare battery.

  38. ShebastianGuest 1 year ago

    My mum and dad both have nexus 5′s and they are beautiful phones, but the fact that you have to keep them on chargers drives me nuts. Granted, having wireless charging plates makes it less painful, but in my case (Galaxy Note 2) I can’t remember the last time I’ve plugged my phone in, unless I was transfering data (and even then I try to use wireless first). I have 4 batteries: one in the charger at home, one in the charger at work, one in the phone, and one on my person at all times. Never had to worry about finding a charger. I have more charge than I can possibly use.

    I know everyone is not like me (especially in america where the consenus seems to be that removable batteries matter little), but I do hope samsung continues to make removable batteries for as long as I keep buying phones.

  39. Steven HendersonGuest 1 year ago

    I will never buy a phone without a user replaceable battery AND and SD card for user expandable storage.

    Most phone manufacturers are leaving a huge gap in the market right now.

    A mid size phone 4.7-4.9″, with decent specs (no samsung mini), that has both a user replaceable battery AND a SD card slot.

    For now I stick with my Moto Photon, I wish I had Kitkat and real LTE 4G, but those are not deal breakers for me.
    A HUGE phone, and/or a phone without a user replaceable battery AND SD card slot are deal breakers

  40. K. Darien FreeheartGuest 1 year ago

    So many blog posts think the issue with removable batteries is that we like to carry spares with it. I’m sure some do, but it’s completely irrelevant to why I *require* a removable battery.

    I hack my phones. I root them, I add features to them, I remove features I don’t want. I develop applications, test applications, test kernels.

    In this process, sometimes things break. Sometimes the things that break are the power button, meaning the only way to reset my phone without waiting for the fully charged battery to die is to yank the battery.

    Is it rare? Yes. Is it a common use case? No. But is it critical to folks who hack their phones? Sometimes, yeah.

  41. Devil's AdvocateGuest 1 year ago

    Alright guys enough with the circlejerk on removable batteries. I used to think removable batteries were the end all be all of buying smartphones. But having purchased a lot of internal batteries already, I now see valid reasons for non-removable batteries. First of all, buying multiple spare batteries for multiple smartphones gets very very expensive, since the spare battery can only fit a specific device. If you buy those cheapo 10 dollar batteries than you should know that to cut down on mfg costs cost they only hold at most a 60-70% charge, meaning they are no better than true OEM batteries with a 80-90% charge and a aged capacity. And these real OEM batteries are not cheap at all, they cost 20-30$ each for around 1200mah and 40-50$ for for more than 2000mah and increase even more as the capacity gets higher since not all of them are being mass manufactured. Now when you buy a few of them for each of your many smartphones it will rack up cost you the around the money for a new smartphone since they are not interchangable. Let’s not forget that you have to charge every one of those suckers with a spare cradle charger which costs even more additional money and they charge slowly so it’s pain in ass to manage so many used spare batteries in your pocket. Non removable battery design allows a bigger capacity in a smaller form factor because there is less parts to the device. You can fit more than 2000mah in a slim 4.3 in form factor and non-removable batteries tend to have higher QC and last much longer than third party batteries, which also depend much on popularity for OEM extended battery support. If you don’t buy the expensive OEM batteries, you might as well stay with the original used battery since they last about as long a third party cheap battery.

  42. Abhinav SharmaGuest 1 year ago

    If your phone with removable battery gets stolen or lost, you cant make it ON via security/phone lost apps or google.com/device manager as the thief had already removed its battery, so u cant make it switch on by those lost security apps, because ur phone has no power supply & you are not able to trace its current location until it is ON.

    Just think if for that moment ur device wit non-removable battery & it has been stolen. you may make it ON via those apps by cyber cafe or laptop.

    Isn’t so??