Aug 14 AT 2:04 PM Taylor Wimberly 104 Comments

T-Mobile G1 owners: Don’t expect any future Android updates (Updated)

Update (8/14): I emailed T-Mobile PR and they responded with the email below.  It is nice to see them respond so quickly as this is an important topic to many customers.  They say the G1 will continue to get “updates”, but I stick with my original belief that the full version Eclair may not be possible.

Taylor,
T-Mobile’s statement:
We plan to continue working with Google to introduce future software updates to the T-Mobile G1. Reports to the contrary are inaccurate.Regards,

T-Mobile USA, Inc.
Public Relations

I suspect that the updates they refer to are going to be bug fixes and security patches.  What form these updates take is yet to be seen.  Maybe we will see periodic service packs that contain updates, but it is impossible for them to fit the future versions of these operating systems on the internal storage space of the G1.  The secondary program loader (SPL) determines the size of all the flash partitions on your G1.  The two main partitions are data (stores your apps) and system(stores the operating system).

Google knew the internal flash space of the G1 was going to be tight so it was a difficult challenge to balance the space.  The end result was a tight system partition and a data partition that lets you install about 40-50 apps.  Just as users quickly found their storage space fill up when installing new apps, the system partition filled up with all the new features in cupcake. Donut and Eclair are going to add a ton of code and it won’t fit in the system partition.  I have outlined the different possibilities below so I’m not going to restate them.

You can say I’m fear mongering, but I think it is important that everyone fully understands the physical limitations of the G1.  Of course you can hack your phone and load upsidedowncake, but the average T-Mobile customer is not willing to do that.

One of our readers got the following response from Android engineer, JBQ.  Keep in mind he doesn’t make the decisions on any updates, but who would better understand the situation.  Read the article over and keep the discussion going.  Question with boldness.

I'll let you be the judge on this one.

I'll let you be the judge on this one.

On a final note, those of you thinking Google is going to magically add the ability to install apps on your SD card are going to be disappointed.  The feature sets of Donut and Eclair are frozen and do not include installing apps2SD.  There are things higher on the priority list – like coding for new devices.  This is just the reality and it’s better if you accept it.

Update (8/19): I wrote another article “Don’t discount the G1 just yet“.


I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but someone has to say it.  If you currently own a T-Mobile G1, your days of Android updates are numbered.  In fact, cupcake might have been your last treat.  Users should not expect to receive the Donut update in its full form.

I know what you are thinking, T-Mobile said they would release four updates to Android each year.

Yes, it is true that T-Mobile plans to keep pushing out Android updates, but they have not specified which devices.  The G1′s days are numbered because of its limited internal space.  I recently asked the question “Are early adopters of the T-Mobile G1 getting the shaft?” and tried to explain the situation, but most people thought I was complaining about the 2YR contract.  I mentioned the 2YR contract because I didn’t think the G1 would continue to get updates during that time period.

Will the G1 get the Donut update?

Let us look at what some of the Android engineers are saying about Donut coming to the G1.  Please remember that these guys do not make the actual decisions about carrier updates, so don’t take your anger out on them.

“I don’t think that anybody… can precisely answer your question at the moment. Size remains a constant concern, not just for the G1 but also for other devices.” Jean-Baptiste Queru, Android Software Engineer

“I don’t believe that has been decided yet, and ultimately it will be a decision made in conjunction with the carrier. It is even possible that some carriers may want the update and others won’t.  There will come a time in the near future when we won’t be able to fit the latest release on the G1 internal flash.” Dave Sparks, Android Software Engineer

Based on all the information I have, I’m just going to assume no more updates for the G1 till I hear something different. You would be wise to start thinking the same thing to avoid being disappointed.

Why could the G1 stop getting official Android updates?

The limited storage space of the G1 is the single reason its days are numbered.  It is a bit of a no-win situation.  No one will admit it, but the small storage space could have been the reason Cupcake was slow in coming.

“Where the situation is really tricky is that the system partition on the US G1 was already filled to the brim with cupcake, and we were routinely flirting with build sizes that were a few dozen kB under the limit (or several MB over…), which means that even small changes to the core platform could very easily push the system size over the limit and staying under the limit took some effort”. Jean-Baptiste Queru, Android Software Engineer

We know future updates are in the pipeline, so what are the possible scenarios for G1 owners?

  1. Google could stop upgrading “small” devices altogether.
  2. Google could restrict the entire platform to features that will fit on the smallest devices.
  3. Google could maintain different feature sets for different devices, such that the smallest devices could receive updates to the core platform but no new major features.
  4. Google could remove functionality that worked in a previous release to free up more space

None of these choices are a great option. Number 1 penalizes the early adopters.  Number 2 penalizes the entire ecosystem by making the latest phones less competitive, by supporting the lowest common denominator.  Number 3 penalizes the early adopters less than 1 but adds quite some engineering cost to maintain the different versions.  Number 4 would piss people off and I don’t think it is a viable option.

The most likely scenario is number 1 – Google will stop upgrading “small” devices.

“At some point this is a no-win situation, something has to give.  Looking at the speed at which the system grew from 1.0 to 1.5 in about 6 months (and at the effort that already had to go into making 1.5 fit on a G1), we’ve got to realistically anticipate that a G1 sold today with a 2-year contract might not be able to run the latest and greatest version of Android 2 years down the road.” Jean-Baptiste Queru, Android Software Engineer

Whos fault is it?

Who should take the blame for this problem?  Google?  T-Mobile?  HTC?  All companies collaborated together, so I guess we can point the finger at everyone.  Google should have communicated to HTC they needed more storage space for their first Android phone.  It is really hard to understand this oversight.  You would think these companies would do some due diligence and ask the question, “Can we support this device for the full contract length, 2 years?”

Feel free to direct your anger at any of these companies, but do not place blame on the Android engineers.  They are the low men on the totem pole and have no control over carrier decisions or product launches.  If anything, we should thank them for being open about the topic and willing to discuss it.

What are my options?

  1. Be happy with the phone you purchased and stop anticipating future updates
  2. Purchase a shiny new phone loaded with Android 2.0
  3. Hack your phone and load a custom build of Android (I suggest cyanogen roms)
  4. Lobby T-Mobile for a trade-in program

Eventually, T-Mobile is going to be forced to comment on this issue.  The reality is not pretty, but it must be addressed.  We know the G1 is getting close to end of life, but they are still selling the device with 2 year contracts.  What will happen to the million G1 owners?  I honestly don’t know.

Don't get your hopes up for Donut or Eclair.

Don't get your hopes up for Donut or Eclair.

Taylor is the founder of Android and Me. He resides in Dallas and carries the Samsung Galaxy S 4 and HTC One as his daily devices. Ask him a question on Twitter or Google+ and he is likely to respond. | Ethics statement

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  • Scott

    So does this apply to the MyTouch 3G? I can finally get an upgrade in about a week, and I’ve been seriously going between the G1 and the MT. I can’t decide which one to get. But if the MT will continue to get updates, I might have to go with that…

  • csewell08

    Well, I kind of expected this when the community started hacking the g1 with ext2/3/4 partitions, swap, compache, apps2sd, and everything else that has become a must-have for g1 owners. It was obvious when the G1 first came out, that it truely was a “First Device”, there are always things to be worked out for future devices, and the price was a good deal if you upgraded or got a new line IMO. I do believe ill continue to see peices of donut/eclair/cupcake mixed together in different roms (much like the above mentioned cyanogen roms (my personal favorite). And it is possible if you have a rooted g1 to run these updates once ported over, but we will never get those as OTA updates. But then again OTA updates steal your root back.

    Overall, i think the G1 is still a great handset, but I think there are a number of devices running android that will be released this year, and especially next year, that will trump the g1 in performance and show the true potential of android (like snapdragon). It is sad to see that neither HTC, Google, nor T-Mobile saw this coming in time to allow the g1 to have the prerequisites needed for a rom like eclair, but then again no one was truely sure that android was going to take off, especially as well as it did, so it wasnt a sure thing that Donut/Eclair wouyld be a reality, same thing goes with cupcake as well.

    • SmoothMarx

      Actually, that won’t happen from now. Cyanogen has included in his ROM the XDA-developed CyanogenMod Updater, so TMO will be disabled by default and CM OTA updates will install a rooted build on your phone “automatically”.

  • Joshua Satrape

    I am going to be really upset with them if they don’t have a trade in program, or something to that effect. I have owned two other HTC phones before my G1 and I loved them all, however they are always behind the curb when it comes to putting memory in their phones. I guess I can at least be happy in knowing that I pre-ordered on September 23, 2008, so I am almost halfway through the 2 year contract.

  • http://twitter.com/csewell08 Csewell08

    @Scott, I dont think the My Touch has enough internal storage for the updates being as im pretty sure its around the same internal storage as the g1, could be wrong though. If your worried about updates then you might want to either A) Root/Hack your G1/MyTouch (MyTouch has root now :D) or B) Hold off until later this year and get a device that doesnt require any modifications to your sdcard or your internal storage to run the future rom updates

    • http://www.nexsoftware.net nEx.Software

      MyTouch has twice the storage of the G1.

  • Andrew Joslin

    Sheesh, can’t say I’m not surprised but this is to be expected considering the hardware. I’m sure future ROMs will hack future releases to exploit the SDcard more.

    On a side note, the phone should be fully supported for 2 years from the date of purchase (if not release). However, how long does/will Apple provide updates for its older iPhones?

  • Andrew Joslin

    BTW, like the article’s graphic :)

    • http://clarklab.net Clark Wimberly

      thanks. I almost didn’t send it to him because I thought it was lame, haha.

  • http://Website(optional) kimus

    Strange that you mentioned that the only problem of the future updates of the G1 is the poor storage space because it’s possible, and very easy to implement, to use the storage card has an additional space to put your applications.

    • http://clarklab.net Clark Wimberly

      You can’t be running the OS off of the SD card. Running apps off the SD isn’t even the best solution. The main problem is the internal memory is too small to hold the update in one piece.

  • http://commonsware.com Mark Murphy

    A few notes:

    1. Bear in mind that this puts Android roughly middle of the road in terms of providing continuous OS updates to devices. I’ve had a couple of WinMo phones, and they all pretty much just had what they had — it’s not like a WinMo 5 device would necessarily get a free upgrade to WinMo 6. AFAIK, Blackberry and Symbian are the same. It is only with iPhone and Android (and, maybe, WebOS) that we see movement away from the pure “appliance” approach into something we are more used to from PC operating systems.

    2. This only pertains to official support for future Android editions on the G1. If and when HTC no longer provides OTA upgrades for the G1, one can expect a fair amount of activity in unofficial upgrades, just as groups like xda-developers have been doing for other HTC devices for years. It is even conceivable that unofficial builds will be able to track closely to Android updates themselves, so long as the people applying the unofficial builds recognize the possibility of problems (bricking, SD corruption, etc.) in the upgrade process. Part of the reason the G1 might not get upgrades is that, with a million-plus of them out there, an official upgrade needs to work for 99.99% of them to prevent T-Mobile from getting inundated with support calls. If you’re willing to have, say, 98% success rates, there are upgrade tricks that give the G1 more elbow room, as I understand it.

    • Jason

      Actually, T-Mobile gave T-mobile Dash users a Windows Mobile 6 upgrade from Windows Mobile 5. It was free and you had to flash your phone with an application to do it.

  • bill

    KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.grumpymonkeychicago.com johnnymcnugget

    What will happen to Android Market as Donut requires app updates? Will there have to be multiple versions of each app, one created just for cupcake compliance, etc.? I don’t care about the new features as much as I care about apps breaking on me.

    • http://www.nexsoftware.net nEx.Software

      Well, my guess is that the G1 will be left in the dust on that front as well. The Market filters out apps that are not compatible with your version of Android. If the G1 does not get Donut, and developers don’t leave legacy versions in place… Then G1 users will not see many applications. In that case, the way that the Market works will probably need to change and allow the developers to upload more than one version in the same place and have the Market only display the best version (based on compatibility) for the user. I don’t see many developers developing multiple versions of apps though, to be honest.

      • http://androidandme.com Taylor Wimberly

        Maybe that is why we haven’t seen a Market upgrade in some time. I know they are going to expand the payment options and I would expect other new features as well.

    • Alvin B.

      My biggest concern is what the previous comment asks – what exactly happens to the Market when there isn’t a solid ecosystem of compatible-across-the-board versions of Android? Ie, will I no longer be able to download the latest and greatest from the Android Market? And then, as more developers support the newer releases, not even be able to get basic apps and widgets that require newer SDKs?

      The ideal situation, of course, would be to update the SDK but not the featureset. If the Android platform were properly modular (I don’t know if it is) then this shouldn’t be that difficult.

  • Da_Coach

    The g1 has 74mb of internal memory. The my touch has about 512 mb so the my touch should be safe on updates. The better be working on the g2 (w/keyboard) and truely it should have a 12 gb or 16gb internal memory like the iphone!

  • http://darkfox.dk/ DarkFox

    I blame HTC… They never understood the importance of having enough internal memory…

    • Edward

      I blame them too….but ill be more upset at T-Mobile if they don’t allow us to trade in our phones…but even so, what phone would be good on tmo? For me the only reason i got the G1 was because of the keyboard….Sigh…to good to be true….sigh :(

  • Andres

    i’d always hoped that android would cover devices across the board, not just smart phones. I personally would love to see a branch of android for barebones hardware, such as a non-touch candybar phone. of course that wouldn’t be as sexy as it running on $500+ devices, but really isn’t the majority of the world using cheaper handsets?

    i personally hope they branch down to base hardware level (though in the case of this discussion, might leave the G1 hanging in the middle anyway.) there are many great features of android that have nothing to do with touch screen or 3d/opengl etc etc.

    i’m just waiting for the day i can have a full featured smart phone for the office/work week, and then a great simple and rugged device for when i don’t want to care as much. right now i’m doing that swap with a G1 and a motofone (moto F3). i’d love to upgrade the beater to something a bit better. android would be awesome.

  • william

    This really sucks. I really don’t want to buy a phone off contract. It sucks. Maybe there will be a hero for me?

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  • Daph

    Even with a trade-in program, lets say $200 off the no contract price of a myTouch, I still wouldn’t want to trade my G1 in. I know moto and samsung are going to release phones with hardware keyboards, but all the current android offerings (aside from the G1) don’t have ‘em. That’s a big ol’ deal breaker for me. I know I shall be hanging on to my G1 for dear life until I can get a professional looking phone with a hardware keyboard.

  • http://www.pf-db.com orangemaze

    A keyboard version of the MyTouch 3g is on the way, as are a few other android based phones by the end of the year. If the early adopters (myself included) didnt already know they were getting a beta device, then I feel sorry for them. the G1 was a huge gamble by all parties involved. Nobody knew how it would be embraced by the consumer, and the developer. The fact that android is not being ported to Netbooks, and low end phones is a testament to it’s durability.

    If Cyanogen can wedge in what he has been wedging in, there is no reason the carriers, google, and htc cant get it to work.

    And anybody that buys any technology, whether it be the first of it’s kind like the g1, or the latest in a long series, should realize, it is obsolete the moment you buy it. My 1st computer had 4k of ram that I upgraded to 16k for $400, my sim card has 32k and those are free!

  • B.Rose

    Another thing to consider is that down the line the G1′s processor simply won’t be enough. This should be a huge surprise as it’s the same with all operating systems. You couldn’t run Windows XP on a 486/66 or Snowleopard on an iMac G3 (or whatever, you get my point). Moreso, this is kind of how it’s been with phones. Blackberry devices from less than two years ago won’t be capable of running OS 5.0. This is just kind of the lay of the land for cell phones. You’re buying what you’re buying at the time. I realize that we all hoped our Android phones would be eternally upgradable, but that’s just not realistic. At some point, and not too far off, there will be Android versions that require at least the speed of a Snapdragon processor, or something like it.

  • bob

    stop with the bullshit speculation. Again trying to stir up panic is what the right wing is for at town halls.

    Frankly continuing to opinion stated as fact on this site over and over is making me reconsider even following this site at all. I can certainly get official news and facts as well as more bullshit speculation on the trillion other android “news” sites.

    Please stop with the speculation and just report actual news that is meaningful.

    • http://androidandme.com Taylor Wimberly

      Thank you for the input Bob. We appreciate your feedback.

      • Edward

        Bobs just being a dick! I say this site is good the way it is. This may seem like a rumor but the beauty of it is that you have facts to back it up! Everyone already knows of the things the G1 lacks so is all this really just a “speculation”? HELL NO!
        This article let some people open there eyes and realize what might become of there beloved G1 phones…

  • Tom

    Ouch.

    And they still don’t have support for Bluetooth applications in Android. This is the sort of thing that was expected to be fixed with updates.

    Even if they don’t get the donut or eclaire, hopefully they will keep getting updates within the 1.5 line.

  • shaun

    +1 to bob’s comment.

  • VittyO

    @Bob: +1. I totally agree.

    One heading reads “Why is the G1 going to stop getting updates?” – the author speaks as if it’s a fact.

    It’s not a fact. It’s PURE speculation on the author’s part. Taylor should realize that he/she’s affecting buy decisions – and some people may even buy an out-of-contract upgrade because of this article. That would be a shame.

    I can think of at least 10 ways T-mobile can still issue updates for the G1 while continuing to update the myTouch. Don’t bail on the G1 until there is a new update that doesn’t come to it. Maybe your 2 yr contract will be up then ;-).

    • http://androidandme.com Taylor Wimberly

      I realize I’m affecting buy decisions. I want people to understand their phone probably wont run Android 2.0. This means never getting Flash support and multi-touch unless you hack your phone.

      T-Mobile could always issue their own “updates”, but it will no longer be the official Android tree which means huge issues for future apps running on the G1.

      You are also correct in saying they have 10 ways to address the issue, but the question is will they?

      The fact remains the G1 has limited internal storage and that will not change.

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  • TheMessiah

    I too am very upset when I read that tweet. When Google, T-Mobile and HTC launched the G1 dubbed the iPhone killer, I sure thought we had a good thing going here. But now not even a year later we will not be supported or get future updates is utterly absurd!

    T-Mobile, Google and HTC hear us out. As pioneers of the FIRST open handset alliance phone (T-Mobile G1), where was the due diligence on your part to keep your FIRST product as fresh and competitive as it was just a year ago? I would NOT have purchased or backed a phone such as this, if I’ve know that just a year or two, we will not be supported or receive future updates! Do you not plan ahead for such things? T-Mobile when you approved the phone that HTC presented, has it not occur to you how it will hold up in a couple years time? Especially with such an important aspect of the phone such as the internal memory!

    Remember this T-Mobile, Google and HTC, if it wasn’t for the pioneers who first flocked to pre-order or ran to your T-Mobile launch in San Francisco and showed so much support for the Android movement, you wouldn’t even have had such a following as you have today.

  • OneSainT

    I love my G1. I have it rooted and running JacxHero 1.2 rom. Its fairly smooth. The complaint I have is that T-Mobile should take care of early adopters of the Android OS and give us a break on the next more “powerful G1″. Or we all can be like the assholes who buy a new iphone every single year at full retail price. I love the Android OS and my G1. I was using a unlocked iphone and switched over to the G1 because of the potienal of the OS.

  • Roy

    Move apps to SD and problem is solved!

  • http://www.nexsoftware.net nEx.Software

    Ron, unfortunately it isn’t that easy. Apps to SD doesn’t give you any more space in the system partition, which is where G1 users are lacking space for a largef firmware. To make more space would require repartitioning a live device, which we all know can be disasterous.

  • http://organizedfellow.com organizedfellow

    TMO, Google &HTC probably don’t give a hoot for us early adopters of Android.
    Why do so many of you feel entitled to some special price for the next phone?
    That’s pretty absurd.
    Android was the bait and we were the fish. They got us – hook, line and sinker. We bit, and fellas, we bit hard!
    No one anticipated this incredible turn out. And it shall continue to get better & bigger.

    In the meantime, I’ll continue saving for the next killer Android phone. Probably full-price, like all my past models. It’s the price we pay for staying up on technology.

  • TheMessiah

    @Roy your totally missing the point buddy. This should NOT be an issue at all if T-Mobile, Google and HTC have came out with a robust phone that has uber amounts of INTERNAL FLASH MEMORY. If they were going up with the damn iPhone with gigabytes worth of internal memory then at least TMO, GOOG and HTC should’ve at least match that. I agree with you if we had the ability right out the box to install apps on the SD then again we wouldn’t have this problem. and whats the point of upgrading your damn SD card if you cant even install apps on it!!!

  • Roy

    I can be a really vengeful person and if this rumor turns out to be true, then screw android, I am looking for something different, my loyalty is DONE!

    • http://clarklab.net Clark Wimberly

      If its true it has nothing to do with Android, the fault would fall squarely on HTC for shipping a device with such little internal memory.

  • http://www.polarpattern.com Bryan

    I hope for everyone’s sake this isn’t true. Cyanogen’s ROMs are great and a beacon of hope–though I’ve had apps2sd fail on more than one occasion. The fact remains that to get what you want from android (the G1 specifically), you have to mod the hell out of it. This thing was not designed to be an iPhone killer, regardless of how it was advertised. I’ve had to exchange 3 defective units in 9 months. Lesson learned–I decided a few days ago that I’ve had enough, and have been much happier. Either way, I applaud the community for some amazing work. And again, I hope this isn’t true.

  • Jak Crow

    This issue could have been alleviated by having an official means of putting apps on the SD card. It was bad enough the G1 only had 50-something MB left for the user apps to begin with, but leaving out the ability to install apps on the SD card when it has been an option on windows mobile for years is inexcusable. I can’t see the minor bump in memory that the myTouch and Hero have will keep them safe for long either.

  • TheMessiah

    FOLKS PLEASE READ THIS LINK!!!

    http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/board/message?board.id=AndroidDev&message.id=8544#M8544

    PER DOMINIC FROM TMO FORUMS

    Great news G1 owners! I just received the following official statement from T-Mobile corporate:

    We plan to continue working with Google to introduce future software updates to the T-Mobile G1. Reports to the contrary are inaccurate.

    There you have it. Please continue to enjoy your T-Mobile G1

    THANKS,

    GERRY-

  • http://richardchatburn.com rchatburn

    I personally don’t think this is any diffrent from any other early adopter hardware, without htc on board I. Don’t think android would be where it is, htc have steped up and took android under its wing, htc are a relitivley small handset manufacturer compared to sony ericson and motorola. The original iphone owners are had problems, no 3g etc, my nokia was perfect but Where was the touch screen and qwerty keyboard oh and it ran symbian but there’s another dabate lol. Some one has to start some where.

    The true supporters will root, the rest will either upgrade or don’t care.

    I haven’t played with any of the others other than what I got to see in my local vodaphone shop but I must say I like the g1 because of the keyyboard, I hate how it looks. But as long as cyanogen supports it I don’t really care.

  • TheMessiah

    @ Taylor Wimberly Please change or update your story for the sake of arguement.

    FOLKS PLEASE READ THIS LINK!!!

    http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/board/message?board.id=AndroidDev&message.id=8544#M8544

    PER DOMINIC FROM TMO FORUMS
    Great news G1 owners! I just received the following official statement from T-Mobile corporate:

    We plan to continue working with Google to introduce future software updates to the T-Mobile G1. Reports to the contrary are inaccurate.

    There you have it. Please continue to enjoy your T-Mobile G1

    • http://clarklab.net Clark Wimberly

      Well of course T-mobile is going to keep trying with Google but what exactly are they going to do with donut releases and plain out just doesn’t fit on their device? There aren’t a whole lot of options here.

      • TheMessiah

        There are quite a few options,

        1. Give us the ability to save apps onto our SD without rooting.
        2. Keep giving us updates with certain features that can not be fully supported on legacy products. For example the original iPhone and iPhone 3G when they had the opportunity to update their OS to 3.0 when the 3GS came out yet not all features that came out on the 3GS installed on older models i.e. compass and many more.

        • http://clarklab.net Clark Wimberly

          1. It doesn’t seem like Google likes this option.
          2. Thats pretty much what Taylor is suggesting, older phones can still get updates, they will just not be the full version. Things will have to be left out.

  • Dan

    Either way I am content. I run a Cyanogen modded G1 that makes friends with iPhone 3G’s jealous (not 3GS). I am sure that the simple apps that I use everyday will continue to run on my G1, and fancy games will target newer phones, because they will run better. A two year contract doesn’t guarantee you will have the latest phone for two years – talk to iPhone users. New hardware should not be held back for legacy support.

  • TheMessiah

    @Dan, I think your missing our point here. We never said to STOP progress but to keep support for legacy products for at least 2 years. Yeah your right with new iPhones coming out every year, however, you’re still able to update your ORIGINAL iPhone with the current 3.0 OS that the current iPhone 3GS has.

    • Steven

      Yes, but all of the iPhones and iTouches got different versions of 3.0 based on what they could handle without memory and processing decreases. The original iPhone on 3.0 doesn’t support mms, iPhone 3g doesn’t have voice control or video capture, etc. This is an option that the G1 could do. Leaving out a few built in power apps could make for a better way of handling it. Yes, it will suck not to have cool built in apps for new stuff, but it could at least support basic functionality and add features like multitouch and apps to sd, as well as new sdk features. Just take off some of the special built in things that we don’t “need”. In cupcake, this could have included the keyboard (sucks i know, but g1 could have done without it), new video app, etc. Btw, those are only examples. The g1 runs those things great, and they shouldn’t be removed, but in 2.0, they may need to remove certain special apps to make room. I’m sure they can do it. Google hasn’t failed miserably yet.

  • http://www.nexsoftware.net nEx.Software

    Regardless of what T-Mobile corporate says… I trust when Android engineers are telling us that there simply isn’t room for much more. I am sure that some bits will make their way to the G1, but I doubt a full Donut featureset. As the title indicates, don’t EXPECT updates, but rejoice if they do come. There are very real hindrances to there being any (or many) real updates… and we need to accept that.

  • http://www.twitter.com/DrJeckyl Dr.Jeckyl

    I knew what I was getting into when I walked out of my local T-Mo store. I’m ok with that. I’m happy with my G1 and I’ll upgrade next year when there is a much wider assortment of phones to choose from. It’s the price we pay for innovation.

    Isn’t that right iPhone owners? ;)

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  • http://Website(optional) usnbrendon

    I cannot help wondering if there is a real recourse here for all of us G1 owners who were given very explicit & detailed information regarding the extremely bright “future” of this platform , which was likely a huge part of why we purchased in the first place! I’m seriously thinking about posing this scenario to a group of lawyer friends of mine. I think a Class
    Action Lawsuit is a very real possibility due to misrepesentation of the lifecycle and development potential of our G1, as well as the very real possibility that HTC cut corners by designing around virtually non-existant Flash memory that is so far below the industry standards for comparable devices, one might be able to prove the design was inherently flawed and this was known just a bit too late…and they had commited to the G1 release so perhaps they hoped to have a workaround, perhaps no one caught the problem until it was far too late to do anything! Regardless, this is NOT what I signed up for last month when I paid FULL PRICE for my G1 and was assured this was the VERY BEST PHONE T-MOBILE HAD AND THAT THE POTENTIAL WAS ENDLESS! I want to choke the hell out of my sales rep right now. I had seen info about the MyTouch soon to be released and inquired if I should wait 3 weeks until it was available. Was assured there was NO need to do that because they were identical, save full keyboard on the G1….which I love and personally MUST HAVE. So in reality, he should have said the lack of keyboard & ADDITION of an adequate amount of system memory to insure the new phone doesn’t end up with the same untimely demise of the G1 with lack of support for all things promised…
    True FLASH content support is just one of the very first & most critical issues needing resolution, in my humble opinion, before they officially ditch us G1 lovers altogether!

  • http://Website(optional) usnbrendon

    This is just intended to guage willingness from others here who would welcome a Court Ruling to outline what HTC, Tmo & Google should do to remedy this fiasco for G1 adopters!

    I cannot help wondering if there is a real recourse here for all of us G1 owners who were given very explicit & detailed information regarding the extremely bright “future” of this platform , which was likely a huge part of why we purchased in the first place! I’m seriously thinking about posing this scenario to a group of lawyer friends of mine. I think a Class
    Action Lawsuit is a very real possibility due to misrepesentation of the lifecycle and development potential of our G1, as well as the very real possibility that HTC cut corners by designing around virtually non-existant Flash memory that is so far below the industry standards for comparable devices, one might be able to prove the design was inherently flawed and this was known just a bit too late…and they had commited to the G1 release so perhaps they hoped to have a workaround, perhaps no one caught the problem until it was far too late to do anything! Regardless, this is NOT what I signed up for last month when I paid FULL PRICE for my G1 and was assured this was the VERY BEST PHONE T-MOBILE HAD AND THAT THE POTENTIAL WAS ENDLESS! I want to choke the hell out of my sales rep right now. I had seen info about the MyTouch soon to be released and inquired if I should wait 3 weeks until it was available. Was assured there was NO need to do that because they were identical, save full keyboard on the G1….which I love and personally MUST HAVE. So in reality, he should have said the lack of keyboard & ADDITION of an adequate amount of system memory to insure the new phone doesn’t end up with the same untimely demise of the G1 with lack of support for all things promised…
    True FLASH content support is just one of the very first & most critical issues needing resolution, in my humble opinion, before they officially ditch us G1 lovers altogether!

  • roy

    I don’t like the word ‘inaccurate’ in the T-mobile statement. Inaccurate isnt the same as incorrect. It means, just not fully correct…

  • Only Loki

    You guys really need to calm down, You all make me wonder how long you all have been using smartphones and ppc’s. I’ve been using them for years and only remember a handful of handsets that got OS upgrades on tmobile, and that was relatively recent, and it would only be one upgrade and it wouldn’t really add many if any features. Before that if you wanted your operating system upgraded you had to buy it and load it on your phone yourself, which was a pain because tmobile’s help center stopped troubleshooting the device for you then. JUst like those we might get updates but that will just be tmobile crap apps and security improvements. Besides I’m sure that somebody will hack the partitions and make them bigger and Google will sooner or later allow free apps to run off of your memory card freeing up some space so we can at least get eclair (2.0) (donut has been recently rumored to be 1.6)

  • http://www.polarpattern.com Bryan

    @usnbrendon I’d be interested to know what a lawyer thinks about this. The thought has certainly crossed my mind. I’ve been with tmo for 8 years, and would rather pay The $200 ETF than deal with tjem and the G1′s limitations any longer.

    AFAIK the whole scenario shows a complete lack of respect for their customers.

  • roy

    @ Only Loki
    This was supposed to be the platform that DID offer upgrades, that WOULD continue to offer service. Those hopes were what made people buy this phone (not its hardware, but its software). There is no excuse for doing the opposite.

    @USNbrendon
    I will help you out if you want. I can’t really help with american law, but I am a dutch law student and know that we are being screwed. We aren’t being given what was promised and that shouldn’t be allowed. I can help make a legal case if this turns out to be true.

  • http://www.myspace.com/baronb1 brent baron

    Then for the rural g1 owners like a person in maine like me has a question. What is the alternative then to the g1? Besides whatever motorolla, etc is coming out with? I mean, will there be a g1 or a g2….or a g1 that comes out that can get the update and still have the keyboard? I just hv a lot of time in this g1..hv not even got to play with rooting yet, and am stressed. No market or updates….just wanna know what everyone is going to do? Or what options there are down the road? Mine doesn’t lie with the one w/o a keyboard….so, is there an alt just like the g1 in december? I’m lost…

  • Obvious Robert

    Why does a potential lack of future OS updates automatically translate to never having Flash on the G1? Surely Flash will be released as an optional app we can download from the market rather than an inherent part of Android? Hasn’t Adobe already demonstrated Flash running on a G1?

    Personally I’m happy with Cupcake as I can’t do without the on screen keyboard. If multi-touch comes then great, but I can manage fine without it. Flash support is the one thing that I’m really waiting for… That and a decent port of Worms.

  • chuksy

    I hope other phone manufacturers in the OHA will learn from this and make sure their phones have at least 1GB of memory and save themselves all these hassles in the future. Am keeping an eye on the Sony ericssson x3.

  • big boy

    When I got my g1 earlier this year, I was well aware of its shortcomings. Take the lack of bluetooth profiles and stereo support, for example.

    The main reason I got this device: The ability to dl youtube videos from your phone to your phone WITHOUT a youtube dl app. You just need a 3rd party dl weblink.

    I’m happy with that for now. I’ll wait til the carriers introduce a phone with the speed of Snapdragon. L8tr.

  • Mark

    This whole system memory issue is ridiculous. I have a rooted G1 and have been running a stable 500MB system partition on the SD card for months (along with 120 apps). If hackers and college students can do it, why can’t HTC engineers find a way to port future Android upgrades and simply write into the code a stable bind mount/symlink method of expanding the G1′s system memory onto the /system/sd ext partition? All the complaints in this thread about intmem have failed to address the fact that apps2sd was only one part of why we hacked…it was the INCREASED SYSTEM MEMORY that the real G1 tekkies were after and we’ve achieved that for some time now. So there’s no reason not to support the G1 in future upgrades of tha ‘Droid.

  • james

    Geez, what’s everyone moaning about? Law suits lol!!

    For starters root ur phone, I was a complete noob to hacking but after a couple hours spent on xda I now have apps2sd, multi touch, 5 homesceens, loads of donut features plus more apps I can shake a stick at 150 .

    Secondly, I’m on an 18 month contract. In the uk 12 months was the norm but now 18 & 24 months are now the average grrrr! A devise usually never lasts that long – keys not working, screens dieing, duff batteries etc. So at the end of my contract I always welcome a change and brand new toy to play with. This will be no different – the creaky G1 slide out screen and poor battery bugs me already !!

    The only change this time round will be I make sure I get a new android phone and not the latest nokia/sony e as I used to.

    As others have already mentioned, if you want the latest and greatest you have to keep splashing the cash. End off.

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  • Rev. Spaminator

    I bought a G1 understanding full well it was a first release device. As with all tech, this is already obsolete. No surprise. I will keep this updated as long as I can get away with, especially with the root hacks. I will skip the 2nd gen devices (Magic and Hero) and see what happens at the end of the 2 year contract.

    Or I will have to get off my lazy behind and start writing software for the phone that someone will pay me for. (I just need enough to support the phone habit… 2 to 3 hundred /month would be awesome.)

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  • belch

    Iphone, here I come.. ask yourself a awesome question. Why am I lagging on a 2g network when not only do all other carriers surf 3g,and some moving to 4?? you really think tmo cares about poor g1 owners with memory, battery, obsolete device issues.. I switched from sprint because tmo I heard had awesome customer service and great plans, well I don’t talk to customer service that much and for 10.99 more a month I get a superior phone and cut out this BULLSHIT :)

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  • Henry

    If this finally become true and G1 user will not get any updates in the future even within the 2 years after it was published, I would certainly turn away from Android and get a new IPHONE 3GS.

    Think about how Apple treats the older iphone user? How can I (no matter as a developer or handset user) trusts a device that is supported no longer than 2 years?

    And how about ADP user? All the ADP are G1, will they become a little bit different?

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  • kris

    I personally don’t think there gonna leave g1 users hanging …. I think there gonna do what the iphone is doing …giving us small updates at a time …the installing apps on the sdcard might be coming just like the iphones finally getting mms messaging..your going by what people who do not work for tmobil , htc, or google are saying…I love the g1 …I mean I wish I could have multitouch and a flash player but other then that I’m fine the way it is ..if we do get more updates awesome ..if not ill wait till my contract is up and get a future android device.. but I don’t think there gonna give up on the g1…and every phone has its own unique. Options right? Maybe the g1 will be the only phone that will be able to save apps to the sd card..who knows…I’m not giving up hope yet..and I’m not gonna stop liking the phone just cause I don’t get any updates..

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  • viroscope

    O look I have a G1 and it has donut. Oops guess you wrong all that writing for nothing. P.S. g1 beats g2 onscreen keyboard has… limited functionality.

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  1. ScottGuest 6 years ago

    So does this apply to the MyTouch 3G? I can finally get an upgrade in about a week, and I’ve been seriously going between the G1 and the MT. I can’t decide which one to get. But if the MT will continue to get updates, I might have to go with that…

  2. csewell08Guest 6 years ago

    Well, I kind of expected this when the community started hacking the g1 with ext2/3/4 partitions, swap, compache, apps2sd, and everything else that has become a must-have for g1 owners. It was obvious when the G1 first came out, that it truely was a “First Device”, there are always things to be worked out for future devices, and the price was a good deal if you upgraded or got a new line IMO. I do believe ill continue to see peices of donut/eclair/cupcake mixed together in different roms (much like the above mentioned cyanogen roms (my personal favorite). And it is possible if you have a rooted g1 to run these updates once ported over, but we will never get those as OTA updates. But then again OTA updates steal your root back.

    Overall, i think the G1 is still a great handset, but I think there are a number of devices running android that will be released this year, and especially next year, that will trump the g1 in performance and show the true potential of android (like snapdragon). It is sad to see that neither HTC, Google, nor T-Mobile saw this coming in time to allow the g1 to have the prerequisites needed for a rom like eclair, but then again no one was truely sure that android was going to take off, especially as well as it did, so it wasnt a sure thing that Donut/Eclair wouyld be a reality, same thing goes with cupcake as well.

    • SmoothMarxGuest 6 years ago

      Actually, that won’t happen from now. Cyanogen has included in his ROM the XDA-developed CyanogenMod Updater, so TMO will be disabled by default and CM OTA updates will install a rooted build on your phone “automatically”.

  3. Joshua SatrapeGuest 6 years ago

    I am going to be really upset with them if they don’t have a trade in program, or something to that effect. I have owned two other HTC phones before my G1 and I loved them all, however they are always behind the curb when it comes to putting memory in their phones. I guess I can at least be happy in knowing that I pre-ordered on September 23, 2008, so I am almost halfway through the 2 year contract.

  4. Csewell08Guest 6 years ago

    @Scott, I dont think the My Touch has enough internal storage for the updates being as im pretty sure its around the same internal storage as the g1, could be wrong though. If your worried about updates then you might want to either A) Root/Hack your G1/MyTouch (MyTouch has root now :D) or B) Hold off until later this year and get a device that doesnt require any modifications to your sdcard or your internal storage to run the future rom updates

  5. Andrew JoslinGuest 6 years ago

    Sheesh, can’t say I’m not surprised but this is to be expected considering the hardware. I’m sure future ROMs will hack future releases to exploit the SDcard more.

    On a side note, the phone should be fully supported for 2 years from the date of purchase (if not release). However, how long does/will Apple provide updates for its older iPhones?

  6. Andrew JoslinGuest 6 years ago

    BTW, like the article’s graphic :)

  7. kimusGuest 6 years ago

    Strange that you mentioned that the only problem of the future updates of the G1 is the poor storage space because it’s possible, and very easy to implement, to use the storage card has an additional space to put your applications.

    • You can’t be running the OS off of the SD card. Running apps off the SD isn’t even the best solution. The main problem is the internal memory is too small to hold the update in one piece.

  8. Mark MurphyGuest 6 years ago

    A few notes:

    1. Bear in mind that this puts Android roughly middle of the road in terms of providing continuous OS updates to devices. I’ve had a couple of WinMo phones, and they all pretty much just had what they had — it’s not like a WinMo 5 device would necessarily get a free upgrade to WinMo 6. AFAIK, Blackberry and Symbian are the same. It is only with iPhone and Android (and, maybe, WebOS) that we see movement away from the pure “appliance” approach into something we are more used to from PC operating systems.

    2. This only pertains to official support for future Android editions on the G1. If and when HTC no longer provides OTA upgrades for the G1, one can expect a fair amount of activity in unofficial upgrades, just as groups like xda-developers have been doing for other HTC devices for years. It is even conceivable that unofficial builds will be able to track closely to Android updates themselves, so long as the people applying the unofficial builds recognize the possibility of problems (bricking, SD corruption, etc.) in the upgrade process. Part of the reason the G1 might not get upgrades is that, with a million-plus of them out there, an official upgrade needs to work for 99.99% of them to prevent T-Mobile from getting inundated with support calls. If you’re willing to have, say, 98% success rates, there are upgrade tricks that give the G1 more elbow room, as I understand it.

    • JasonGuest 6 years ago

      Actually, T-Mobile gave T-mobile Dash users a Windows Mobile 6 upgrade from Windows Mobile 5. It was free and you had to flash your phone with an application to do it.

  9. billGuest 6 years ago

    KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  10. johnnymcnuggetGuest 6 years ago

    What will happen to Android Market as Donut requires app updates? Will there have to be multiple versions of each app, one created just for cupcake compliance, etc.? I don’t care about the new features as much as I care about apps breaking on me.

    • nEx.SoftwareGuest 6 years ago

      Well, my guess is that the G1 will be left in the dust on that front as well. The Market filters out apps that are not compatible with your version of Android. If the G1 does not get Donut, and developers don’t leave legacy versions in place… Then G1 users will not see many applications. In that case, the way that the Market works will probably need to change and allow the developers to upload more than one version in the same place and have the Market only display the best version (based on compatibility) for the user. I don’t see many developers developing multiple versions of apps though, to be honest.

    • Alvin B.Guest 6 years ago

      My biggest concern is what the previous comment asks – what exactly happens to the Market when there isn’t a solid ecosystem of compatible-across-the-board versions of Android? Ie, will I no longer be able to download the latest and greatest from the Android Market? And then, as more developers support the newer releases, not even be able to get basic apps and widgets that require newer SDKs?

      The ideal situation, of course, would be to update the SDK but not the featureset. If the Android platform were properly modular (I don’t know if it is) then this shouldn’t be that difficult.

  11. Da_CoachGuest 6 years ago

    The g1 has 74mb of internal memory. The my touch has about 512 mb so the my touch should be safe on updates. The better be working on the g2 (w/keyboard) and truely it should have a 12 gb or 16gb internal memory like the iphone!

  12. DarkFoxGuest 6 years ago

    I blame HTC… They never understood the importance of having enough internal memory…

    • I blame them too….but ill be more upset at T-Mobile if they don’t allow us to trade in our phones…but even so, what phone would be good on tmo? For me the only reason i got the G1 was because of the keyboard….Sigh…to good to be true….sigh :(

  13. AndresGuest 6 years ago

    i’d always hoped that android would cover devices across the board, not just smart phones. I personally would love to see a branch of android for barebones hardware, such as a non-touch candybar phone. of course that wouldn’t be as sexy as it running on $500+ devices, but really isn’t the majority of the world using cheaper handsets?

    i personally hope they branch down to base hardware level (though in the case of this discussion, might leave the G1 hanging in the middle anyway.) there are many great features of android that have nothing to do with touch screen or 3d/opengl etc etc.

    i’m just waiting for the day i can have a full featured smart phone for the office/work week, and then a great simple and rugged device for when i don’t want to care as much. right now i’m doing that swap with a G1 and a motofone (moto F3). i’d love to upgrade the beater to something a bit better. android would be awesome.

  14. williamGuest 6 years ago

    This really sucks. I really don’t want to buy a phone off contract. It sucks. Maybe there will be a hero for me?

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  16. DaphGuest 6 years ago

    Even with a trade-in program, lets say $200 off the no contract price of a myTouch, I still wouldn’t want to trade my G1 in. I know moto and samsung are going to release phones with hardware keyboards, but all the current android offerings (aside from the G1) don’t have ‘em. That’s a big ol’ deal breaker for me. I know I shall be hanging on to my G1 for dear life until I can get a professional looking phone with a hardware keyboard.

  17. orangemazeGuest 6 years ago

    A keyboard version of the MyTouch 3g is on the way, as are a few other android based phones by the end of the year. If the early adopters (myself included) didnt already know they were getting a beta device, then I feel sorry for them. the G1 was a huge gamble by all parties involved. Nobody knew how it would be embraced by the consumer, and the developer. The fact that android is not being ported to Netbooks, and low end phones is a testament to it’s durability.

    If Cyanogen can wedge in what he has been wedging in, there is no reason the carriers, google, and htc cant get it to work.

    And anybody that buys any technology, whether it be the first of it’s kind like the g1, or the latest in a long series, should realize, it is obsolete the moment you buy it. My 1st computer had 4k of ram that I upgraded to 16k for $400, my sim card has 32k and those are free!

  18. B.RoseGuest 6 years ago

    Another thing to consider is that down the line the G1′s processor simply won’t be enough. This should be a huge surprise as it’s the same with all operating systems. You couldn’t run Windows XP on a 486/66 or Snowleopard on an iMac G3 (or whatever, you get my point). Moreso, this is kind of how it’s been with phones. Blackberry devices from less than two years ago won’t be capable of running OS 5.0. This is just kind of the lay of the land for cell phones. You’re buying what you’re buying at the time. I realize that we all hoped our Android phones would be eternally upgradable, but that’s just not realistic. At some point, and not too far off, there will be Android versions that require at least the speed of a Snapdragon processor, or something like it.

  19. bobGuest 6 years ago

    stop with the bullshit speculation. Again trying to stir up panic is what the right wing is for at town halls.

    Frankly continuing to opinion stated as fact on this site over and over is making me reconsider even following this site at all. I can certainly get official news and facts as well as more bullshit speculation on the trillion other android “news” sites.

    Please stop with the speculation and just report actual news that is meaningful.

    • Thank you for the input Bob. We appreciate your feedback.

      • Bobs just being a dick! I say this site is good the way it is. This may seem like a rumor but the beauty of it is that you have facts to back it up! Everyone already knows of the things the G1 lacks so is all this really just a “speculation”? HELL NO!
        This article let some people open there eyes and realize what might become of there beloved G1 phones…

  20. TomGuest 6 years ago

    Ouch.

    And they still don’t have support for Bluetooth applications in Android. This is the sort of thing that was expected to be fixed with updates.

    Even if they don’t get the donut or eclaire, hopefully they will keep getting updates within the 1.5 line.

  21. shaunGuest 6 years ago

    +1 to bob’s comment.

  22. VittyOGuest 6 years ago

    @Bob: +1. I totally agree.

    One heading reads “Why is the G1 going to stop getting updates?” – the author speaks as if it’s a fact.

    It’s not a fact. It’s PURE speculation on the author’s part. Taylor should realize that he/she’s affecting buy decisions – and some people may even buy an out-of-contract upgrade because of this article. That would be a shame.

    I can think of at least 10 ways T-mobile can still issue updates for the G1 while continuing to update the myTouch. Don’t bail on the G1 until there is a new update that doesn’t come to it. Maybe your 2 yr contract will be up then ;-).

    • I realize I’m affecting buy decisions. I want people to understand their phone probably wont run Android 2.0. This means never getting Flash support and multi-touch unless you hack your phone.

      T-Mobile could always issue their own “updates”, but it will no longer be the official Android tree which means huge issues for future apps running on the G1.

      You are also correct in saying they have 10 ways to address the issue, but the question is will they?

      The fact remains the G1 has limited internal storage and that will not change.

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  24. TheMessiahGuest 6 years ago

    I too am very upset when I read that tweet. When Google, T-Mobile and HTC launched the G1 dubbed the iPhone killer, I sure thought we had a good thing going here. But now not even a year later we will not be supported or get future updates is utterly absurd!

    T-Mobile, Google and HTC hear us out. As pioneers of the FIRST open handset alliance phone (T-Mobile G1), where was the due diligence on your part to keep your FIRST product as fresh and competitive as it was just a year ago? I would NOT have purchased or backed a phone such as this, if I’ve know that just a year or two, we will not be supported or receive future updates! Do you not plan ahead for such things? T-Mobile when you approved the phone that HTC presented, has it not occur to you how it will hold up in a couple years time? Especially with such an important aspect of the phone such as the internal memory!

    Remember this T-Mobile, Google and HTC, if it wasn’t for the pioneers who first flocked to pre-order or ran to your T-Mobile launch in San Francisco and showed so much support for the Android movement, you wouldn’t even have had such a following as you have today.

  25. OneSainTGuest 6 years ago

    I love my G1. I have it rooted and running JacxHero 1.2 rom. Its fairly smooth. The complaint I have is that T-Mobile should take care of early adopters of the Android OS and give us a break on the next more “powerful G1″. Or we all can be like the assholes who buy a new iphone every single year at full retail price. I love the Android OS and my G1. I was using a unlocked iphone and switched over to the G1 because of the potienal of the OS.

  26. RoyGuest 6 years ago

    Move apps to SD and problem is solved!

  27. Ron, unfortunately it isn’t that easy. Apps to SD doesn’t give you any more space in the system partition, which is where G1 users are lacking space for a largef firmware. To make more space would require repartitioning a live device, which we all know can be disasterous.

  28. organizedfellowGuest 6 years ago

    TMO, Google &HTC probably don’t give a hoot for us early adopters of Android.
    Why do so many of you feel entitled to some special price for the next phone?
    That’s pretty absurd.
    Android was the bait and we were the fish. They got us – hook, line and sinker. We bit, and fellas, we bit hard!
    No one anticipated this incredible turn out. And it shall continue to get better & bigger.

    In the meantime, I’ll continue saving for the next killer Android phone. Probably full-price, like all my past models. It’s the price we pay for staying up on technology.

  29. TheMessiahGuest 6 years ago

    @Roy your totally missing the point buddy. This should NOT be an issue at all if T-Mobile, Google and HTC have came out with a robust phone that has uber amounts of INTERNAL FLASH MEMORY. If they were going up with the damn iPhone with gigabytes worth of internal memory then at least TMO, GOOG and HTC should’ve at least match that. I agree with you if we had the ability right out the box to install apps on the SD then again we wouldn’t have this problem. and whats the point of upgrading your damn SD card if you cant even install apps on it!!!

  30. RoyGuest 6 years ago

    I can be a really vengeful person and if this rumor turns out to be true, then screw android, I am looking for something different, my loyalty is DONE!

  31. BryanGuest 6 years ago

    I hope for everyone’s sake this isn’t true. Cyanogen’s ROMs are great and a beacon of hope–though I’ve had apps2sd fail on more than one occasion. The fact remains that to get what you want from android (the G1 specifically), you have to mod the hell out of it. This thing was not designed to be an iPhone killer, regardless of how it was advertised. I’ve had to exchange 3 defective units in 9 months. Lesson learned–I decided a few days ago that I’ve had enough, and have been much happier. Either way, I applaud the community for some amazing work. And again, I hope this isn’t true.

  32. Jak CrowGuest 6 years ago

    This issue could have been alleviated by having an official means of putting apps on the SD card. It was bad enough the G1 only had 50-something MB left for the user apps to begin with, but leaving out the ability to install apps on the SD card when it has been an option on windows mobile for years is inexcusable. I can’t see the minor bump in memory that the myTouch and Hero have will keep them safe for long either.

  33. TheMessiahGuest 6 years ago

    FOLKS PLEASE READ THIS LINK!!!

    http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/board/message?board.id=AndroidDev&message.id=8544#M8544

    PER DOMINIC FROM TMO FORUMS

    Great news G1 owners! I just received the following official statement from T-Mobile corporate:

    We plan to continue working with Google to introduce future software updates to the T-Mobile G1. Reports to the contrary are inaccurate.

    There you have it. Please continue to enjoy your T-Mobile G1

    THANKS,

    GERRY-

  34. rchatburnGuest 6 years ago

    I personally don’t think this is any diffrent from any other early adopter hardware, without htc on board I. Don’t think android would be where it is, htc have steped up and took android under its wing, htc are a relitivley small handset manufacturer compared to sony ericson and motorola. The original iphone owners are had problems, no 3g etc, my nokia was perfect but Where was the touch screen and qwerty keyboard oh and it ran symbian but there’s another dabate lol. Some one has to start some where.

    The true supporters will root, the rest will either upgrade or don’t care.

    I haven’t played with any of the others other than what I got to see in my local vodaphone shop but I must say I like the g1 because of the keyyboard, I hate how it looks. But as long as cyanogen supports it I don’t really care.

  35. TheMessiahGuest 6 years ago

    @ Taylor Wimberly Please change or update your story for the sake of arguement.

    FOLKS PLEASE READ THIS LINK!!!

    http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/board/message?board.id=AndroidDev&message.id=8544#M8544

    PER DOMINIC FROM TMO FORUMS
    Great news G1 owners! I just received the following official statement from T-Mobile corporate:

    We plan to continue working with Google to introduce future software updates to the T-Mobile G1. Reports to the contrary are inaccurate.

    There you have it. Please continue to enjoy your T-Mobile G1

    • Well of course T-mobile is going to keep trying with Google but what exactly are they going to do with donut releases and plain out just doesn’t fit on their device? There aren’t a whole lot of options here.

      • TheMessiahGuest 6 years ago

        There are quite a few options,

        1. Give us the ability to save apps onto our SD without rooting.
        2. Keep giving us updates with certain features that can not be fully supported on legacy products. For example the original iPhone and iPhone 3G when they had the opportunity to update their OS to 3.0 when the 3GS came out yet not all features that came out on the 3GS installed on older models i.e. compass and many more.

        • 1. It doesn’t seem like Google likes this option.
          2. Thats pretty much what Taylor is suggesting, older phones can still get updates, they will just not be the full version. Things will have to be left out.

  36. DanGuest 6 years ago

    Either way I am content. I run a Cyanogen modded G1 that makes friends with iPhone 3G’s jealous (not 3GS). I am sure that the simple apps that I use everyday will continue to run on my G1, and fancy games will target newer phones, because they will run better. A two year contract doesn’t guarantee you will have the latest phone for two years – talk to iPhone users. New hardware should not be held back for legacy support.

  37. TheMessiahGuest 6 years ago

    @Dan, I think your missing our point here. We never said to STOP progress but to keep support for legacy products for at least 2 years. Yeah your right with new iPhones coming out every year, however, you’re still able to update your ORIGINAL iPhone with the current 3.0 OS that the current iPhone 3GS has.

    • StevenGuest 6 years ago

      Yes, but all of the iPhones and iTouches got different versions of 3.0 based on what they could handle without memory and processing decreases. The original iPhone on 3.0 doesn’t support mms, iPhone 3g doesn’t have voice control or video capture, etc. This is an option that the G1 could do. Leaving out a few built in power apps could make for a better way of handling it. Yes, it will suck not to have cool built in apps for new stuff, but it could at least support basic functionality and add features like multitouch and apps to sd, as well as new sdk features. Just take off some of the special built in things that we don’t “need”. In cupcake, this could have included the keyboard (sucks i know, but g1 could have done without it), new video app, etc. Btw, those are only examples. The g1 runs those things great, and they shouldn’t be removed, but in 2.0, they may need to remove certain special apps to make room. I’m sure they can do it. Google hasn’t failed miserably yet.

  38. Regardless of what T-Mobile corporate says… I trust when Android engineers are telling us that there simply isn’t room for much more. I am sure that some bits will make their way to the G1, but I doubt a full Donut featureset. As the title indicates, don’t EXPECT updates, but rejoice if they do come. There are very real hindrances to there being any (or many) real updates… and we need to accept that.

  39. Dr.JeckylGuest 6 years ago

    I knew what I was getting into when I walked out of my local T-Mo store. I’m ok with that. I’m happy with my G1 and I’ll upgrade next year when there is a much wider assortment of phones to choose from. It’s the price we pay for innovation.

    Isn’t that right iPhone owners? ;)

  40. Android and MeGuest 6 years ago

    [...] 15th @ 03:01 am › Taylor Wimberly ↓ Skip to comments This post is in response to yesterday’s article that claimed the G1 would not receive future Android updates like Donut and Eclair.  T-Mobile [...]

  41. usnbrendonGuest 6 years ago

    I cannot help wondering if there is a real recourse here for all of us G1 owners who were given very explicit & detailed information regarding the extremely bright “future” of this platform , which was likely a huge part of why we purchased in the first place! I’m seriously thinking about posing this scenario to a group of lawyer friends of mine. I think a Class
    Action Lawsuit is a very real possibility due to misrepesentation of the lifecycle and development potential of our G1, as well as the very real possibility that HTC cut corners by designing around virtually non-existant Flash memory that is so far below the industry standards for comparable devices, one might be able to prove the design was inherently flawed and this was known just a bit too late…and they had commited to the G1 release so perhaps they hoped to have a workaround, perhaps no one caught the problem until it was far too late to do anything! Regardless, this is NOT what I signed up for last month when I paid FULL PRICE for my G1 and was assured this was the VERY BEST PHONE T-MOBILE HAD AND THAT THE POTENTIAL WAS ENDLESS! I want to choke the hell out of my sales rep right now. I had seen info about the MyTouch soon to be released and inquired if I should wait 3 weeks until it was available. Was assured there was NO need to do that because they were identical, save full keyboard on the G1….which I love and personally MUST HAVE. So in reality, he should have said the lack of keyboard & ADDITION of an adequate amount of system memory to insure the new phone doesn’t end up with the same untimely demise of the G1 with lack of support for all things promised…
    True FLASH content support is just one of the very first & most critical issues needing resolution, in my humble opinion, before they officially ditch us G1 lovers altogether!

  42. usnbrendonGuest 6 years ago

    This is just intended to guage willingness from others here who would welcome a Court Ruling to outline what HTC, Tmo & Google should do to remedy this fiasco for G1 adopters!

    I cannot help wondering if there is a real recourse here for all of us G1 owners who were given very explicit & detailed information regarding the extremely bright “future” of this platform , which was likely a huge part of why we purchased in the first place! I’m seriously thinking about posing this scenario to a group of lawyer friends of mine. I think a Class
    Action Lawsuit is a very real possibility due to misrepesentation of the lifecycle and development potential of our G1, as well as the very real possibility that HTC cut corners by designing around virtually non-existant Flash memory that is so far below the industry standards for comparable devices, one might be able to prove the design was inherently flawed and this was known just a bit too late…and they had commited to the G1 release so perhaps they hoped to have a workaround, perhaps no one caught the problem until it was far too late to do anything! Regardless, this is NOT what I signed up for last month when I paid FULL PRICE for my G1 and was assured this was the VERY BEST PHONE T-MOBILE HAD AND THAT THE POTENTIAL WAS ENDLESS! I want to choke the hell out of my sales rep right now. I had seen info about the MyTouch soon to be released and inquired if I should wait 3 weeks until it was available. Was assured there was NO need to do that because they were identical, save full keyboard on the G1….which I love and personally MUST HAVE. So in reality, he should have said the lack of keyboard & ADDITION of an adequate amount of system memory to insure the new phone doesn’t end up with the same untimely demise of the G1 with lack of support for all things promised…
    True FLASH content support is just one of the very first & most critical issues needing resolution, in my humble opinion, before they officially ditch us G1 lovers altogether!

  43. royGuest 6 years ago

    I don’t like the word ‘inaccurate’ in the T-mobile statement. Inaccurate isnt the same as incorrect. It means, just not fully correct…

  44. Only LokiGuest 6 years ago

    You guys really need to calm down, You all make me wonder how long you all have been using smartphones and ppc’s. I’ve been using them for years and only remember a handful of handsets that got OS upgrades on tmobile, and that was relatively recent, and it would only be one upgrade and it wouldn’t really add many if any features. Before that if you wanted your operating system upgraded you had to buy it and load it on your phone yourself, which was a pain because tmobile’s help center stopped troubleshooting the device for you then. JUst like those we might get updates but that will just be tmobile crap apps and security improvements. Besides I’m sure that somebody will hack the partitions and make them bigger and Google will sooner or later allow free apps to run off of your memory card freeing up some space so we can at least get eclair (2.0) (donut has been recently rumored to be 1.6)

  45. BryanGuest 6 years ago

    @usnbrendon I’d be interested to know what a lawyer thinks about this. The thought has certainly crossed my mind. I’ve been with tmo for 8 years, and would rather pay The $200 ETF than deal with tjem and the G1′s limitations any longer.

    AFAIK the whole scenario shows a complete lack of respect for their customers.

  46. royGuest 6 years ago

    @ Only Loki
    This was supposed to be the platform that DID offer upgrades, that WOULD continue to offer service. Those hopes were what made people buy this phone (not its hardware, but its software). There is no excuse for doing the opposite.

    @USNbrendon
    I will help you out if you want. I can’t really help with american law, but I am a dutch law student and know that we are being screwed. We aren’t being given what was promised and that shouldn’t be allowed. I can help make a legal case if this turns out to be true.

  47. brent baronGuest 6 years ago

    Then for the rural g1 owners like a person in maine like me has a question. What is the alternative then to the g1? Besides whatever motorolla, etc is coming out with? I mean, will there be a g1 or a g2….or a g1 that comes out that can get the update and still have the keyboard? I just hv a lot of time in this g1..hv not even got to play with rooting yet, and am stressed. No market or updates….just wanna know what everyone is going to do? Or what options there are down the road? Mine doesn’t lie with the one w/o a keyboard….so, is there an alt just like the g1 in december? I’m lost…

  48. Obvious RobertGuest 6 years ago

    Why does a potential lack of future OS updates automatically translate to never having Flash on the G1? Surely Flash will be released as an optional app we can download from the market rather than an inherent part of Android? Hasn’t Adobe already demonstrated Flash running on a G1?

    Personally I’m happy with Cupcake as I can’t do without the on screen keyboard. If multi-touch comes then great, but I can manage fine without it. Flash support is the one thing that I’m really waiting for… That and a decent port of Worms.

  49. chuksyGuest 6 years ago

    I hope other phone manufacturers in the OHA will learn from this and make sure their phones have at least 1GB of memory and save themselves all these hassles in the future. Am keeping an eye on the Sony ericssson x3.

  50. big boyGuest 6 years ago

    When I got my g1 earlier this year, I was well aware of its shortcomings. Take the lack of bluetooth profiles and stereo support, for example.

    The main reason I got this device: The ability to dl youtube videos from your phone to your phone WITHOUT a youtube dl app. You just need a 3rd party dl weblink.

    I’m happy with that for now. I’ll wait til the carriers introduce a phone with the speed of Snapdragon. L8tr.

  51. MarkGuest 6 years ago

    This whole system memory issue is ridiculous. I have a rooted G1 and have been running a stable 500MB system partition on the SD card for months (along with 120 apps). If hackers and college students can do it, why can’t HTC engineers find a way to port future Android upgrades and simply write into the code a stable bind mount/symlink method of expanding the G1′s system memory onto the /system/sd ext partition? All the complaints in this thread about intmem have failed to address the fact that apps2sd was only one part of why we hacked…it was the INCREASED SYSTEM MEMORY that the real G1 tekkies were after and we’ve achieved that for some time now. So there’s no reason not to support the G1 in future upgrades of tha ‘Droid.

  52. jamesGuest 6 years ago

    Geez, what’s everyone moaning about? Law suits lol!!

    For starters root ur phone, I was a complete noob to hacking but after a couple hours spent on xda I now have apps2sd, multi touch, 5 homesceens, loads of donut features plus more apps I can shake a stick at 150 .

    Secondly, I’m on an 18 month contract. In the uk 12 months was the norm but now 18 & 24 months are now the average grrrr! A devise usually never lasts that long – keys not working, screens dieing, duff batteries etc. So at the end of my contract I always welcome a change and brand new toy to play with. This will be no different – the creaky G1 slide out screen and poor battery bugs me already !!

    The only change this time round will be I make sure I get a new android phone and not the latest nokia/sony e as I used to.

    As others have already mentioned, if you want the latest and greatest you have to keep splashing the cash. End off.

  53. G1 Owners Might Be Left Out of Future Android Updates [Updates] · TechBloggerGuest 6 years ago

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  54. G1 Owners Might Be Left Out of Future Android Updates [Updates] | Diy all the WayGuest 6 years ago

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  55. Cupcake to be last major update to the Dream/G1?Guest 6 years ago

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  56. Rev. SpaminatorGuest 6 years ago

    I bought a G1 understanding full well it was a first release device. As with all tech, this is already obsolete. No surprise. I will keep this updated as long as I can get away with, especially with the root hacks. I will skip the 2nd gen devices (Magic and Hero) and see what happens at the end of the 2 year contract.

    Or I will have to get off my lazy behind and start writing software for the phone that someone will pay me for. (I just need enough to support the phone habit… 2 to 3 hundred /month would be awesome.)

  57. Cupcake to be last major update to the Dream/G1? | Tech Story SiteGuest 6 years ago

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  59. belchGuest 6 years ago

    Iphone, here I come.. ask yourself a awesome question. Why am I lagging on a 2g network when not only do all other carriers surf 3g,and some moving to 4?? you really think tmo cares about poor g1 owners with memory, battery, obsolete device issues.. I switched from sprint because tmo I heard had awesome customer service and great plans, well I don’t talk to customer service that much and for 10.99 more a month I get a superior phone and cut out this BULLSHIT :)

  60. Geen Android updates meer voor de G1 (Donut & Eclaire) | AndroidworldGuest 6 years ago

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  61. HenryGuest 6 years ago

    If this finally become true and G1 user will not get any updates in the future even within the 2 years after it was published, I would certainly turn away from Android and get a new IPHONE 3GS.

    Think about how Apple treats the older iphone user? How can I (no matter as a developer or handset user) trusts a device that is supported no longer than 2 years?

    And how about ADP user? All the ADP are G1, will they become a little bit different?

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  68. G1, Tasty Treats, and Constraint-Based Engineering « Android JunkiesGuest 6 years ago

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  73. krisGuest 6 years ago

    I personally don’t think there gonna leave g1 users hanging …. I think there gonna do what the iphone is doing …giving us small updates at a time …the installing apps on the sdcard might be coming just like the iphones finally getting mms messaging..your going by what people who do not work for tmobil , htc, or google are saying…I love the g1 …I mean I wish I could have multitouch and a flash player but other then that I’m fine the way it is ..if we do get more updates awesome ..if not ill wait till my contract is up and get a future android device.. but I don’t think there gonna give up on the g1…and every phone has its own unique. Options right? Maybe the g1 will be the only phone that will be able to save apps to the sd card..who knows…I’m not giving up hope yet..and I’m not gonna stop liking the phone just cause I don’t get any updates..

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  78. viroscopeGuest 6 years ago

    O look I have a G1 and it has donut. Oops guess you wrong all that writing for nothing. P.S. g1 beats g2 onscreen keyboard has… limited functionality.

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