Nov 18 AT 2:56 PM Edgar Cervantes 32 Comments

Apple’s tables have turned; Motorola brings patent lawsuit, 2.7 billion at stake

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It’s usually Android manufacturers that get hit by the big guys in patent lawsuits. Our friends have been getting ready, though, and it seems the war is slowly starting to turn around. This time Motorola is going after Apple in a German court, claiming that Apple has infringed upon its patents. Good news is, the judge seems to be siding with Motorola on this one.

Apple’s supposed infringement revolves around iCloud; more specifically, around email and data sync between Apple’s cloud services and iOS devices.

No decision has been made, but Apple has claimed that this would cost them 2.7 billion, which they have requested from Motorola in collateral damage. Should this case reach an appeal stage (and the judge approves Apple’s request), Motorola would have to pay this money to Apple. If Apple happens to lose the appeal process, the money would go back to Motorola.

As mentioned, the judge seems to be leaning toward Motorola’s side. He does not seem to believe Apple would really lose that amount of money, since there are other ways to offer such services.

I am not yet entirely sure that amount adequately mirrors the commercial value of this dispute. The technology isn’t a standard and there are alternative ways to provide the same services.JudgeGerman Court

The patent wars are definitely no fun. But at least Motorola has the right to say, “You started it!” We’ll hear more on this case in the coming months, so stay tuned and let’s see how Apple takes a taste of its own medicine.

Via: Phandroid

Source: Electronista

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  • http://www.technogasms.com Sean Riley

    Tell Apple they can go ahead and just make that check payable to Google.

    • thel0nerang3r

      I read it differently. Moto had to put 2.7B in escrow. If Apple wins the court case, they get 2.7B. Doesn’t say what Moto would get if they win the lawsuit.

      • http://www.technogasms.com Sean Riley

        That’s definitely the short term result if they lose, but if Apple is found to be infringing on Motorola’s patents then they are going to have to fork over some cash or do a cross-licensing deal.

  • thaghost

    Hey Apple! How do you like them apples? Pun very much intended.

  • Sturoid

    Im not getting this for some reason. Apple are infringing on Motorolas patent…..Apple say this will cost them $2.7 billion …Are they talking about the lawsuit cists here or what they would lose due to not using this tech they are infringing on? Im confused why Motorola should be paying Apple at all if they are in the right?

    • Erik

      I think to make icloud comply with not infringing on Motorola patents it would cost X. If they spent the X and then later appealed and won, Motorola has to pay back X. Apparently Apple says X = 2.7b. Also, apparently the judge says X != 2.7b

    • Stephen T.

      I believe the reason that it would cost them 2.7 billion is because Apple would not be allowed to sell any device that uses iCloud. This will mainly target the iPhone, iPad, and iPod. This would be great and it is already showing that this is a good acquisition for Google with the new patent profile they will get from Motorola. I’m hoping this will be just the beginning to ward off patent trolls.

    • dbf

      Motorola is asking for an injunction to block Apple from selling their products that Motorola says infringe. Apple is claiming that the injunction would cost $2.7 billion in losses and is asking the court to make Motorola put up the money if the injunction is granted that would be given to Apple if Motorola loses the case as damages for bringing the injunction. It would return to Motorola along with any awarded damages from Apple if Motorola won.

      • flx563

        I’m afraid that this won’t go with judges which already don’t seem convinced. Apple knows Motorola doesn’t have much cash on hands and is playing tricks.

        While I’m glad that Motorola has a strategic patent that is not standards related, I hope this is the beginning of end. We don’t need Android injuctions and we don’t need iOS injuctions. I hope that this will corner Apple to behave well and start negotiating about the settlement with Motorola.

  • Nathan

    Hey Apple, it doesn’t feel good when the big guns are aim at you is it?

  • http://droidsamurai.blogspot.com DroidSamurai

    Motorola essentially invented the telecommunication market. Google made a purchase and Apple picked the wrong guy to mess up.

  • http://None Javier Bastardo

    I’m on the same page regarding this kind of news. Patent Wars need to stop! but at least is good to see other companies defending themselves from the big bully on the playground.

  • Mark

    Apple can go to hell for all I care.

    • dashard

      Your phone would not look or act or perform the way it does if it weren’t for Apple. Wise up. There was no shortage of phones and no shortage of smartphones, and NONE of them looked, acted or performed the way the iPhone did.

      And the next big thing, whatever that is, think it’s coming from Motorola? HTC? LG? _Really?_

      #smh

      • element

        I can already smell the bias in your comment. The next big thing already happened dude, you’re just pissed it had to be a Jelly Bean.

        Let’s hope you have something smart to say when Google’s patent for the notification pull down passes and they’ve got Apple in their cross hairs for that one. Let’s be honest here, Apple did innovate a lot of what we have nowadays but get your head out of your ass, without Steve Jobs (rest in peace) Apple has done little to inspire and innovate and they’ve got nothing but lawsuits in their near future, whether its them or the other companies filing them.

        Enjoy your 3G forever, and the same old, tired interface since 2008.

  • snowbdr89

    For some reason visions of the star wars scene with the deathstar blowing up keeps popping up in my head..

  • seven2k

    I like how Apple is making themselves look like victims. Really makes them look like they dont any shame. Guess Steve was right…”Every single dollar to crush AndroiD”

  • Renato S.

    Somebody do something about Microsoft…

    Earning such an effortless amount of money…

    • AsakuraZero

      at least on the good side they are not removing products out of the countries ALA apple.

      now apple is taking a blitzkrieg comeback from googolora

      • themanwithsauce

        For now let’s go with the lesser of 2 evils. 5$ a device is chump change in these days of subsidized smartphones and tablets. Be thankful they didn’t ask for more….

        And this could be used to fight apple in court. If I recall the terms of the licensing agreement, those devices are now covered by certain patent families of M$ by legal definitions correct? If a company were to go to court against apple they can now summon patents from both google and microsoft! Suck it, steve!

    • Rovex

      The REAL difference is that Microsofts claims are actually half way valid. Thats why everyone is paying up so readily.. Apples claims are technically correct (much of the time), but the patents are stupid and should never have been granted in the first place.

  • charliethesuperturtle

    I laugh at apple!!!
    Hahagwahah

  • inviolable

    Haha I love that image

    • invaliduseofnull

      I’m using it as my desktop wallpaper now. I love it!

  • Daniel

    “The old law of an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind”

  • Ray

    TAKE DOWN THE APPLE MACHINE!!

  • happyGoogler

    Was’t the Florian Mueller (MS troll) claiming that Motorola’s patent portfolio is weak and that the acquisition was made out of desperation?
    I’m sure if Google hadn’t made that Motorola deal, Apple would be doing it right now.

  • kazahani

    What is lost in the shuffle is how much these patent disputes are costing consumers. Apple, Samsung, Moto etc wage these multi-billion dollar lawsuits like it’s nothing, but when they lose their collective ass, we have to pay higher prices.

    STOP THIS. Nobody wins.

  • http://k-selezneva.blogspot.com/ KatSelezneva

    I think all these patent lawsuits just hinder the market. Instead of developing new technologies, the companies are trying to beat their rivals in the court. Clash of the Titans: Samsung vs. Apple http://k-selezneva.blogspot.com/2011/09/clash-of-titans-samsung-vs-apple.html

  • eliander mendoza

    If Motorola wins that means apple will come up with iphone 5. It will cost almost twice as much and that is how they are planning to get that money back, also they will add “new features” you know the same you get in cidya yes you know what i mean ….

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000631046637 jimmy_bones

    The picture for this article is just amazing.

  • pritams

    ::evil smile::!:!

  1. Tell Apple they can go ahead and just make that check payable to Google.

    • I read it differently. Moto had to put 2.7B in escrow. If Apple wins the court case, they get 2.7B. Doesn’t say what Moto would get if they win the lawsuit.

      • That’s definitely the short term result if they lose, but if Apple is found to be infringing on Motorola’s patents then they are going to have to fork over some cash or do a cross-licensing deal.

  2. Hey Apple! How do you like them apples? Pun very much intended.

  3. Im not getting this for some reason. Apple are infringing on Motorolas patent…..Apple say this will cost them $2.7 billion …Are they talking about the lawsuit cists here or what they would lose due to not using this tech they are infringing on? Im confused why Motorola should be paying Apple at all if they are in the right?

    • ErikGuest 4 years ago

      I think to make icloud comply with not infringing on Motorola patents it would cost X. If they spent the X and then later appealed and won, Motorola has to pay back X. Apparently Apple says X = 2.7b. Also, apparently the judge says X != 2.7b

    • Stephen T.Guest 4 years ago

      I believe the reason that it would cost them 2.7 billion is because Apple would not be allowed to sell any device that uses iCloud. This will mainly target the iPhone, iPad, and iPod. This would be great and it is already showing that this is a good acquisition for Google with the new patent profile they will get from Motorola. I’m hoping this will be just the beginning to ward off patent trolls.

    • dbfGuest 4 years ago

      Motorola is asking for an injunction to block Apple from selling their products that Motorola says infringe. Apple is claiming that the injunction would cost $2.7 billion in losses and is asking the court to make Motorola put up the money if the injunction is granted that would be given to Apple if Motorola loses the case as damages for bringing the injunction. It would return to Motorola along with any awarded damages from Apple if Motorola won.

      • flx563Guest 4 years ago

        I’m afraid that this won’t go with judges which already don’t seem convinced. Apple knows Motorola doesn’t have much cash on hands and is playing tricks.

        While I’m glad that Motorola has a strategic patent that is not standards related, I hope this is the beginning of end. We don’t need Android injuctions and we don’t need iOS injuctions. I hope that this will corner Apple to behave well and start negotiating about the settlement with Motorola.

  4. Hey Apple, it doesn’t feel good when the big guns are aim at you is it?

  5. Motorola essentially invented the telecommunication market. Google made a purchase and Apple picked the wrong guy to mess up.

  6. I’m on the same page regarding this kind of news. Patent Wars need to stop! but at least is good to see other companies defending themselves from the big bully on the playground.

  7. MarkGuest 4 years ago

    Apple can go to hell for all I care.

    • dashardGuest 4 years ago

      Your phone would not look or act or perform the way it does if it weren’t for Apple. Wise up. There was no shortage of phones and no shortage of smartphones, and NONE of them looked, acted or performed the way the iPhone did.

      And the next big thing, whatever that is, think it’s coming from Motorola? HTC? LG? _Really?_

      #smh

      • elementGuest 3 years ago

        I can already smell the bias in your comment. The next big thing already happened dude, you’re just pissed it had to be a Jelly Bean.

        Let’s hope you have something smart to say when Google’s patent for the notification pull down passes and they’ve got Apple in their cross hairs for that one. Let’s be honest here, Apple did innovate a lot of what we have nowadays but get your head out of your ass, without Steve Jobs (rest in peace) Apple has done little to inspire and innovate and they’ve got nothing but lawsuits in their near future, whether its them or the other companies filing them.

        Enjoy your 3G forever, and the same old, tired interface since 2008.

  8. snowbdr89Guest 4 years ago

    For some reason visions of the star wars scene with the deathstar blowing up keeps popping up in my head..

  9. I like how Apple is making themselves look like victims. Really makes them look like they dont any shame. Guess Steve was right…”Every single dollar to crush AndroiD”

  10. Renato S.Guest 4 years ago

    Somebody do something about Microsoft…

    Earning such an effortless amount of money…

    • at least on the good side they are not removing products out of the countries ALA apple.

      now apple is taking a blitzkrieg comeback from googolora

      • For now let’s go with the lesser of 2 evils. 5$ a device is chump change in these days of subsidized smartphones and tablets. Be thankful they didn’t ask for more….

        And this could be used to fight apple in court. If I recall the terms of the licensing agreement, those devices are now covered by certain patent families of M$ by legal definitions correct? If a company were to go to court against apple they can now summon patents from both google and microsoft! Suck it, steve!

    • RovexGuest 4 years ago

      The REAL difference is that Microsofts claims are actually half way valid. Thats why everyone is paying up so readily.. Apples claims are technically correct (much of the time), but the patents are stupid and should never have been granted in the first place.

  11. I laugh at apple!!!
    Hahagwahah

  12. Haha I love that image

  13. DanielGuest 4 years ago

    “The old law of an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind”

  14. RayGuest 4 years ago

    TAKE DOWN THE APPLE MACHINE!!

  15. happyGooglerGuest 4 years ago

    Was’t the Florian Mueller (MS troll) claiming that Motorola’s patent portfolio is weak and that the acquisition was made out of desperation?
    I’m sure if Google hadn’t made that Motorola deal, Apple would be doing it right now.

  16. What is lost in the shuffle is how much these patent disputes are costing consumers. Apple, Samsung, Moto etc wage these multi-billion dollar lawsuits like it’s nothing, but when they lose their collective ass, we have to pay higher prices.

    STOP THIS. Nobody wins.

  17. I think all these patent lawsuits just hinder the market. Instead of developing new technologies, the companies are trying to beat their rivals in the court. Clash of the Titans: Samsung vs. Apple http://k-selezneva.blogspot.com/2011/09/clash-of-titans-samsung-vs-apple.html

  18. If Motorola wins that means apple will come up with iphone 5. It will cost almost twice as much and that is how they are planning to get that money back, also they will add “new features” you know the same you get in cidya yes you know what i mean ….

  19. The picture for this article is just amazing.

  20. ::evil smile::!:!